1 00:00:37,430 --> 00:00:21,830 [Music] 2 00:00:44,389 --> 00:00:41,910 explode the bazaars your e-ticket ride 3 00:00:47,670 --> 00:00:44,399 into the world of the paranoid 4 00:00:51,979 --> 00:00:47,680 strap yourself in as we traverse the 5 00:00:55,100 --> 00:00:51,989 universe exploring the unexplained UFO s 6 00:00:57,479 --> 00:00:55,110 ghosts Lost Worlds 7 00:01:01,319 --> 00:00:57,489 cryptozoology waters as well as other 8 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:01,329 dimensions it's time to take back the 9 00:01:08,999 --> 00:01:05,770 night last night now your electrifying 10 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:09,009 hosts of exploring the bizarre Timothy 11 00:01:21,180 --> 00:01:19,690 Beckley and Tim Schwartz I don't I don't 12 00:01:24,180 --> 00:01:21,190 think we should be out here in the 13 00:01:27,180 --> 00:01:24,190 middle of night but the area is surely 14 00:01:30,510 --> 00:01:27,190 depression well I I enjoyed the night 15 00:01:33,149 --> 00:01:30,520 Erin the sound of the crickets it's so 16 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:33,159 bad when you're but it could it be so 17 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:34,810 bad when you're surrounded by all these 18 00:01:40,849 --> 00:01:37,090 fireflies where they are swarming all 19 00:01:45,569 --> 00:01:40,859 over the place and they're quite large 20 00:01:48,359 --> 00:01:45,579 well they're extra-large all right but I 21 00:01:51,420 --> 00:01:48,369 think it's I don't think they're 22 00:01:54,749 --> 00:01:51,430 lightning bugs you know Tim I remember 23 00:01:58,020 --> 00:01:54,759 writing about Sir Arthur Conan Doyle who 24 00:02:00,090 --> 00:01:58,030 said that fairies were real and would 25 00:02:03,270 --> 00:02:00,100 sometimes kidnap humans and take them 26 00:02:07,889 --> 00:02:03,280 back to fairyland for purposes of a 27 00:02:11,250 --> 00:02:07,899 little elemental hanky-panky and maybe 28 00:02:13,110 --> 00:02:11,260 some other nefarious purposes they're 29 00:02:14,789 --> 00:02:13,120 fairies all right that little lady with 30 00:02:16,140 --> 00:02:14,799 the glowing wings is trying to pull my 31 00:02:18,690 --> 00:02:16,150 heads down 32 00:02:21,900 --> 00:02:18,700 we'll hold them up and let's get back to 33 00:02:23,819 --> 00:02:21,910 the KC our radio studios so we can start 34 00:02:25,710 --> 00:02:23,829 this week's episode of exploring the 35 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:25,720 bizarre come on yeah 36 00:02:35,490 --> 00:02:27,970 damn little fairy girl keep your hands 37 00:02:42,780 --> 00:02:38,580 okay we're back inside the studio get 38 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:42,790 Mart with you thank heavens oh yeah I 39 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:52,090 almost lost my drawers you know we could 40 00:02:59,640 --> 00:02:55,690 get pretty cozy with the aliens and in 41 00:03:02,610 --> 00:02:59,650 all these hybrids and and stuff you know 42 00:03:04,590 --> 00:03:02,620 in fact we're kind of celebrating the 43 00:03:08,340 --> 00:03:04,600 release of our book on the subject this 44 00:03:11,550 --> 00:03:08,350 week screwed by the aliens true sexual 45 00:03:13,830 --> 00:03:11,560 encounters with et it's quite a book and 46 00:03:16,020 --> 00:03:13,840 it's causing a controversy especially in 47 00:03:19,140 --> 00:03:16,030 the UK a Tim I guess you've seen some of 48 00:03:22,470 --> 00:03:19,150 the the press on this yeah that's right 49 00:03:26,370 --> 00:03:22,480 we had a really nice article written up 50 00:03:31,050 --> 00:03:26,380 about the book in the the Metro which i 51 00:03:33,570 --> 00:03:31,060 think is one of the UK's a scandal 52 00:03:36,449 --> 00:03:33,580 sheets kind of like the the Sun and the 53 00:03:41,430 --> 00:03:36,459 mirror well what what would make you 54 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:41,440 think that they certainly have a tag the 55 00:03:46,530 --> 00:03:44,410 Sun on this one and I'm not ashamed I 56 00:03:47,850 --> 00:03:46,540 mean you know the subject well we're 57 00:03:50,340 --> 00:03:47,860 gonna get into it a little bit tonight 58 00:03:51,930 --> 00:03:50,350 infect him why don't you tell us who our 59 00:03:54,690 --> 00:03:51,940 guests are because I'm looking forward 60 00:03:58,290 --> 00:03:54,700 to this show oh woe is my pleasure and 61 00:04:02,460 --> 00:03:58,300 you know Tim tonight we have a return of 62 00:04:07,890 --> 00:04:02,470 a really - of our our favorite guest now 63 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:07,900 both have been on our show in the past 64 00:04:14,910 --> 00:04:11,290 and so we're really well pleased to have 65 00:04:18,690 --> 00:04:14,920 both joshua kuchen and Susur Demeter 66 00:04:20,820 --> 00:04:18,700 saint-clair now Joshua prior to pursuing 67 00:04:25,020 --> 00:04:20,830 his dream of becoming a full-time author 68 00:04:26,610 --> 00:04:25,030 and musician in 2015 he served as public 69 00:04:30,090 --> 00:04:26,620 affairs director of the University of 70 00:04:32,820 --> 00:04:30,100 Georgia Hugh Hudson School of Music for 71 00:04:36,659 --> 00:04:32,830 three years and during his tenure at UGA 72 00:04:40,469 --> 00:04:36,669 Joshua authored over 100 articles press 73 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:40,479 releases and blog post now he's appeared 74 00:04:44,580 --> 00:04:42,010 in a variety of paranormal programs 75 00:04:47,010 --> 00:04:44,590 discussing his work including our show 76 00:04:48,830 --> 00:04:47,020 of course coast to coast am mysterious 77 00:04:52,610 --> 00:04:48,840 universe but all of America 78 00:04:54,710 --> 00:04:52,620 extended perceptions radio mysterioso 79 00:04:57,950 --> 00:04:54,720 and the graylien report now he's the 80 00:05:01,120 --> 00:04:57,960 author of three books trojan feast the 81 00:05:04,250 --> 00:05:01,130 food and drink offerings of aliens 82 00:05:06,830 --> 00:05:04,260 aliens fairies and sasquatch the 83 00:05:11,150 --> 00:05:06,840 brimstone deceit an in-depth examination 84 00:05:18,409 --> 00:05:11,160 of supernatural sense otherworldly odors 85 00:05:21,170 --> 00:05:18,419 and monstrous Meazza I just totally 86 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:21,180 messed that one up to him and more 87 00:05:28,550 --> 00:05:24,330 recently thieves in the night a brief 88 00:05:30,500 --> 00:05:28,560 history of supernatural child abduction 89 00:05:31,010 --> 00:05:30,510 all of these are published by anomalous 90 00:05:32,900 --> 00:05:31,020 books 91 00:05:36,500 --> 00:05:32,910 now Joshua is also a contributor to 92 00:05:39,950 --> 00:05:36,510 Robby Graham's collection beautiful aaja 93 00:05:42,379 --> 00:05:39,960 cool essays UFOs reframing the debate 94 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:42,389 and the debate as well as David 95 00:05:48,020 --> 00:05:46,050 Weatherly's 2018 Sasquatch collection 96 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:48,030 wood knocks vol 3 97 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:50,970 Wow also with this as I said before is 98 00:05:55,790 --> 00:05:53,010 Susan Demeter st. Claire and always 99 00:05:57,710 --> 00:05:55,800 happy to have Susan with us now Susan is 100 00:06:00,950 --> 00:05:57,720 a professional research assistant author 101 00:06:02,810 --> 00:06:00,960 editor and SCI experimenter her research 102 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:02,820 interests include individual and 103 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:05,690 institutional responses to anomalies and 104 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:08,849 exceptional human experiences and how 105 00:06:14,529 --> 00:06:12,690 they interact and enact change within 106 00:06:17,629 --> 00:06:14,539 individuals groups and large 107 00:06:19,879 --> 00:06:17,639 institutions such as the military her 108 00:06:22,940 --> 00:06:19,889 life took on the framework of UFO 109 00:06:26,210 --> 00:06:22,950 experience after an encounter of 1990 110 00:06:28,219 --> 00:06:26,220 and she considers anomaly studies to be 111 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:28,229 her true life's work and she has 112 00:06:32,570 --> 00:06:30,210 established with a pair of researchers 113 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:32,580 of Ontario and paranormal studies and 114 00:06:38,420 --> 00:06:35,849 inquiry Canada as online educational 115 00:06:40,940 --> 00:06:38,430 resources for those wishing to explore 116 00:06:43,879 --> 00:06:40,950 the subject of anomalous events in 117 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:43,889 Canada now as well Susan is a 118 00:06:49,190 --> 00:06:45,930 contributing writer for Robert Graham's 119 00:06:52,339 --> 00:06:49,200 UFOs were framing the debate as well now 120 00:06:57,230 --> 00:06:52,349 I wish to welcome both our guests 121 00:06:59,330 --> 00:06:57,240 tonight's on exploring the bizarre well 122 00:07:02,080 --> 00:06:59,340 you know yeah good to have you good to 123 00:07:04,350 --> 00:07:02,090 have you guys on this is going to be a 124 00:07:07,150 --> 00:07:04,360 fascinating evening I don't know Timnath 125 00:07:09,310 --> 00:07:07,160 have we ever really discussed the 126 00:07:12,010 --> 00:07:09,320 fairies on the on the show I mean I'm 127 00:07:14,790 --> 00:07:12,020 sure we've touched on the on the subject 128 00:07:17,170 --> 00:07:14,800 because it's a part of all the anomalous 129 00:07:20,170 --> 00:07:17,180 phenomena that were interested in but I 130 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:20,180 don't think we've really gotten deep 131 00:07:24,490 --> 00:07:22,970 into the the heart of the matter no no I 132 00:07:28,020 --> 00:07:24,500 think this is the first time that we've 133 00:07:38,379 --> 00:07:28,030 had a show that's dedicated entirely to 134 00:07:40,020 --> 00:07:38,389 this phenomena unless Josh this is this 135 00:07:43,210 --> 00:07:40,030 is you're like the centerpiece of your 136 00:07:44,890 --> 00:07:43,220 new book that you've written what the 137 00:07:48,010 --> 00:07:44,900 last book that I remember we had John 138 00:07:50,530 --> 00:07:48,020 and we were talking about the food food 139 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:50,540 and liquid nourishment that the aliens 140 00:07:57,510 --> 00:07:53,210 were were giving out and that was a 141 00:08:00,010 --> 00:07:57,520 pretty I think groundbreaking book now 142 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:00,020 how did you decide or what's your 143 00:08:05,950 --> 00:08:02,410 background on the subject of faeries and 144 00:08:08,140 --> 00:08:05,960 nocturnal beings I guess there are other 145 00:08:12,250 --> 00:08:08,150 things in the book really besides just 146 00:08:15,969 --> 00:08:12,260 these little creatures of the night well 147 00:08:18,219 --> 00:08:15,979 you know I the main impetus for a Trojan 148 00:08:20,529 --> 00:08:18,229 feast was really that that basic food 149 00:08:21,969 --> 00:08:20,539 taboos are so common fairy lore and 150 00:08:23,830 --> 00:08:21,979 Celtic countries which is where if you 151 00:08:25,690 --> 00:08:23,840 took food from the fairy folk you were 152 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:25,700 destined to remain with them forever and 153 00:08:30,330 --> 00:08:27,370 I was found some examples of how that 154 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:30,340 theme why is its way not only through 155 00:08:35,740 --> 00:08:32,930 indigenous belief all over the world but 156 00:08:37,659 --> 00:08:35,750 also certain motifs re representing 157 00:08:39,790 --> 00:08:37,669 themselves in the alien abduction Methos 158 00:08:44,010 --> 00:08:39,800 and that really is where a lot of my 159 00:08:47,110 --> 00:08:44,020 interests lie I I'm mostly interested in 160 00:08:49,150 --> 00:08:47,120 exploring the concept of perhaps they're 161 00:08:50,829 --> 00:08:49,160 being panned paranormal connections I 162 00:08:55,390 --> 00:08:50,839 between these different subjects I mean 163 00:08:58,269 --> 00:08:55,400 we we try to silo these things off and I 164 00:09:01,360 --> 00:08:58,279 think they are less silo able then we 165 00:09:03,100 --> 00:09:01,370 want to make them and so that was that 166 00:09:04,420 --> 00:09:03,110 was my first book in the second book the 167 00:09:07,300 --> 00:09:04,430 brimstone deceit was all about just like 168 00:09:08,530 --> 00:09:07,310 looking at smells in the paranormal but 169 00:09:10,470 --> 00:09:08,540 didn't have a lot of fairy lore no just 170 00:09:12,730 --> 00:09:10,480 a very small amount of fairy lore and 171 00:09:14,410 --> 00:09:12,740 that's really what what for whatever 172 00:09:15,769 --> 00:09:14,420 reason I don't know really speaks and 173 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:15,779 resonates to me especially the way 174 00:09:19,939 --> 00:09:17,850 the that fairy lore has so many 175 00:09:22,540 --> 00:09:19,949 similarities with the modern alien 176 00:09:24,889 --> 00:09:22,550 abduction and alien contact experience 177 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:24,899 that's that's really what gets me fired 178 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:27,930 up so that's a a primary source for the 179 00:09:32,809 --> 00:09:30,930 impetus for this for this new book and 180 00:09:35,749 --> 00:09:32,819 what we what were your sources I mean I 181 00:09:39,189 --> 00:09:35,759 obviously historical ones because there 182 00:09:42,199 --> 00:09:39,199 may be some fairy sightings today but 183 00:09:45,499 --> 00:09:42,209 obviously most of the ones are more of a 184 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:45,509 historical nature than the current right 185 00:09:49,759 --> 00:09:47,610 so I'm trying to remember I think I know 186 00:09:51,710 --> 00:09:49,769 that the brimstone de-seed had over 600 187 00:09:54,290 --> 00:09:51,720 different sources and I think this one's 188 00:09:56,780 --> 00:09:54,300 probably around 750 or 800 different 189 00:09:59,030 --> 00:09:56,790 ones um so a lot of as you mentioned a 190 00:10:00,530 --> 00:09:59,040 lot of historical texts looking back to 191 00:10:02,290 --> 00:10:00,540 the writings not only a Walter Evans 192 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:02,300 West who really sort of wrote the the 193 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:05,850 the seminal ethnography of fairy belief 194 00:10:10,639 --> 00:10:08,610 in the early 20th century but also 195 00:10:12,850 --> 00:10:10,649 looking to earlier Celtic scholars like 196 00:10:18,769 --> 00:10:12,860 Patrick Kennedy John Rhys 197 00:10:22,269 --> 00:10:18,779 Cochise Thomas Kitely Oscar Wilde's mom 198 00:10:24,170 --> 00:10:22,279 lady wild lady Gregory another Irish 199 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:24,180 ethnographer as well so a lot of those 200 00:10:29,509 --> 00:10:26,850 old texts and then you know literally 201 00:10:33,230 --> 00:10:29,519 coming through packed back issues of 202 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:33,240 MUFON Journal and and I just just 203 00:10:37,639 --> 00:10:35,250 sorting through you know decades of that 204 00:10:40,249 --> 00:10:37,649 as well in addition to some of the some 205 00:10:41,929 --> 00:10:40,259 of the real inspirational thinkers that 206 00:10:45,619 --> 00:10:41,939 in this field so you know Ginny 207 00:10:47,059 --> 00:10:45,629 Randall's was somebody pops up a lot in 208 00:10:49,610 --> 00:10:47,069 the book Jacques Vallee 209 00:10:53,329 --> 00:10:49,620 I would imagine yes definitely I mean 210 00:10:54,980 --> 00:10:53,339 he's he gets he uh he gets he gets and 211 00:10:55,879 --> 00:10:54,990 and it deserves a lot of credit for 212 00:10:59,269 --> 00:10:55,889 really pointing out a lot of these 213 00:11:01,189 --> 00:10:59,279 initial similarities people like Kevin 214 00:11:02,419 --> 00:11:01,199 Espen all Chris all Beck a lot of these 215 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:02,429 different individuals throughout the 216 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:03,569 years have pointed out different 217 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:05,490 different aspects of it and it's it's 218 00:11:10,549 --> 00:11:08,610 the similarity between the the you know 219 00:11:15,110 --> 00:11:10,559 extraterrestrial contact experience and 220 00:11:17,150 --> 00:11:15,120 ferry contact of older older ages has 221 00:11:19,249 --> 00:11:17,160 been sort of noted in passing is almost 222 00:11:21,619 --> 00:11:19,259 sort of a sort of a curiosity but I 223 00:11:22,939 --> 00:11:21,629 contend after sort of really you know 224 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:22,949 rolling up my sleeves and digging into 225 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:26,970 this I'm I'm fairly certain that you can 226 00:11:31,449 --> 00:11:28,730 pick anything in the contact 227 00:11:34,180 --> 00:11:31,459 which is not the same necessarily as the 228 00:11:38,560 --> 00:11:34,190 UFO phenomena but the contact experience 229 00:11:41,889 --> 00:11:38,570 I maintain that a vast majority of the 230 00:11:44,829 --> 00:11:41,899 things in the the modern sort of alien 231 00:11:47,410 --> 00:11:44,839 contact mythology Methos have direct 232 00:11:48,970 --> 00:11:47,420 analogs in fairy faith and that extends 233 00:11:51,519 --> 00:11:48,980 not only to some of the obvious things 234 00:11:52,540 --> 00:11:51,529 like stature missing time some of those 235 00:11:54,579 --> 00:11:52,550 things that have been really knitter to 236 00:11:56,230 --> 00:11:54,589 ad infinitum but stuff like the 237 00:11:57,939 --> 00:11:56,240 hybridization model even stuff like 238 00:12:00,069 --> 00:11:57,949 alien implants these all have 239 00:12:01,900 --> 00:12:00,079 antecedents in fairy lore and that's 240 00:12:03,939 --> 00:12:01,910 that really that really fascinates me um 241 00:12:04,990 --> 00:12:03,949 you know to be clear I don't think 242 00:12:07,060 --> 00:12:05,000 aliens are fairies and I don't think 243 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:07,070 fairies are aliens I don't think I think 244 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:10,250 both approaches to this phenomena are 245 00:12:14,199 --> 00:12:12,170 describing the same thing but I think 246 00:12:15,850 --> 00:12:14,209 they're both really missing exactly what 247 00:12:17,530 --> 00:12:15,860 it is as to what it is I try to remain 248 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:17,540 relatively agnostic on that but I think 249 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:19,850 they're both I think it's it's become 250 00:12:24,430 --> 00:12:22,370 clear to me personally that a lot of 251 00:12:26,230 --> 00:12:24,440 these stories are describing the same 252 00:12:27,759 --> 00:12:26,240 phenomenon and that's a that's a point 253 00:12:30,069 --> 00:12:27,769 that I was you know I used to be a 254 00:12:32,439 --> 00:12:30,079 little bit wishy washy on a couple years 255 00:12:41,139 --> 00:12:32,449 ago but I really even convinced that at 256 00:12:43,180 --> 00:12:41,149 this point absolutely I mean I just dive 257 00:12:44,220 --> 00:12:43,190 right in here and say I absolutely agree 258 00:12:46,569 --> 00:12:44,230 with you 259 00:12:48,939 --> 00:12:46,579 because that's where my own research is 260 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:48,949 pointing as well is there is just too 261 00:12:52,420 --> 00:12:50,930 many strong similarities like when you 262 00:12:54,490 --> 00:12:52,430 strip away the narrative and the 263 00:12:56,590 --> 00:12:54,500 descriptions whether they're little 264 00:12:58,090 --> 00:12:56,600 beings that are coming from space or 265 00:13:01,240 --> 00:12:58,100 whether they're coming from underground 266 00:13:04,990 --> 00:13:01,250 or or from the forests or wherever the 267 00:13:07,540 --> 00:13:05,000 the basic story is the same the same 268 00:13:09,819 --> 00:13:07,550 sort of elements are always seemingly at 269 00:13:12,639 --> 00:13:09,829 play and and I view you is actually 270 00:13:15,250 --> 00:13:12,649 expanding on valets work and I'm really 271 00:13:16,990 --> 00:13:15,260 excited about your new book so I I had 272 00:13:21,009 --> 00:13:17,000 to just dive in there and just just tell 273 00:13:23,170 --> 00:13:21,019 you that right off the bat like what are 274 00:13:26,379 --> 00:13:23,180 they similar what are the similarities I 275 00:13:29,079 --> 00:13:26,389 mean could you point us out a half dozen 276 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:29,089 or so oh crap let's crack our knuckles 277 00:13:35,290 --> 00:13:30,730 you want to take a first shot at season 278 00:13:37,569 --> 00:13:35,300 well as josh has pointed out I mean they 279 00:13:39,699 --> 00:13:37,579 these things often happen like in 280 00:13:42,110 --> 00:13:39,709 bedrooms like when people are like 281 00:13:43,820 --> 00:13:42,120 asleep and they're coming 282 00:13:45,740 --> 00:13:43,830 through windows there's all sorts of 283 00:13:47,660 --> 00:13:45,750 fairy lore where the fairies are sort of 284 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:47,670 coming and entering and into like 285 00:13:53,420 --> 00:13:50,970 various ways into the house there's just 286 00:13:55,070 --> 00:13:53,430 so many different ways that that that 287 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:55,080 when you just start stripping away the 288 00:14:00,950 --> 00:13:56,970 you know the from these little fairy 289 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:00,960 beings to the aliens that they are the 290 00:14:04,670 --> 00:14:03,210 same it's it is also I'm finding as well 291 00:14:07,010 --> 00:14:04,680 with I don't know if you've gotten into 292 00:14:09,500 --> 00:14:07,020 this in the book yet Josh but with with 293 00:14:11,510 --> 00:14:09,510 a near-death experience which is also 294 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:11,520 tied into these death processionals 295 00:14:17,510 --> 00:14:14,490 fairy lore and also these lights in the 296 00:14:19,310 --> 00:14:17,520 sky and I'm finding this with my work 297 00:14:21,350 --> 00:14:19,320 that I've been doing recently in Europe 298 00:14:24,070 --> 00:14:21,360 that there's all these little threads 299 00:14:26,900 --> 00:14:24,080 like a web that seem to be connecting 300 00:14:29,540 --> 00:14:26,910 over across time and space and the only 301 00:14:31,519 --> 00:14:29,550 thing that seems to be added in is sort 302 00:14:33,650 --> 00:14:31,529 of this narrative or story depending 303 00:14:36,260 --> 00:14:33,660 upon what time frame we're seeking like 304 00:14:39,590 --> 00:14:36,270 that it seems to me that once the space 305 00:14:43,519 --> 00:14:39,600 race and aviation got underway the the 306 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:43,529 whole sort of fairy thing changed like 307 00:14:49,010 --> 00:14:46,170 and became more of an alien thing more 308 00:14:52,910 --> 00:14:49,020 of a space thing but at essence at the 309 00:14:55,070 --> 00:14:52,920 core it seems to be the same I don't 310 00:14:58,190 --> 00:14:55,080 know you take it Josh yeah I certainly 311 00:14:59,449 --> 00:14:58,200 do touched on sort of that near-death 312 00:15:01,730 --> 00:14:59,459 experience thing because if you look at 313 00:15:03,500 --> 00:15:01,740 the sort of qualities that experiences 314 00:15:05,900 --> 00:15:03,510 of near-death experiences and fairy 315 00:15:07,730 --> 00:15:05,910 abduction and alien abduction they all 316 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:07,740 tend to have certain hallmarks like 317 00:15:11,690 --> 00:15:09,330 returning with a newfound spiritual 318 00:15:14,420 --> 00:15:11,700 awareness returning in a daze some time 319 00:15:16,310 --> 00:15:14,430 but you know to be a little bit less but 320 00:15:19,070 --> 00:15:16,320 could to not put the two not put the 321 00:15:20,660 --> 00:15:19,080 cart before the horse so to speak yeah 322 00:15:23,300 --> 00:15:20,670 let's let's rattle off some stuff so you 323 00:15:25,070 --> 00:15:23,310 have short entities possibly sometimes 324 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:25,080 living underground which is a motif that 325 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:26,370 represents itself and the modern 326 00:15:29,930 --> 00:15:28,170 extraterrestrial Methos in terms of 327 00:15:31,430 --> 00:15:29,940 underground bases at Dulce and things 328 00:15:33,650 --> 00:15:31,440 like that do you have the phenomena of 329 00:15:36,050 --> 00:15:33,660 missing time in both situations people 330 00:15:37,370 --> 00:15:36,060 thinking that they're gone for a for 331 00:15:39,140 --> 00:15:37,380 longer or shorter than they were 332 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:39,150 actually away that's a very common one 333 00:15:44,570 --> 00:15:42,930 um if you look at the association of 334 00:15:46,519 --> 00:15:44,580 fairy lights you know anomalous lights 335 00:15:48,050 --> 00:15:46,529 in the sky with faerie activity well an 336 00:15:50,900 --> 00:15:48,060 almost lights in the sky with alien 337 00:15:53,990 --> 00:15:50,910 activity livestock mutilation used to be 338 00:15:56,300 --> 00:15:54,000 blamed upon fairies nowadays it's blamed 339 00:15:58,700 --> 00:15:56,310 upon UFOs similarly the 340 00:16:01,220 --> 00:15:58,710 experiences in Fairyland it's it has 341 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:01,230 this sort of illumination from no really 342 00:16:04,610 --> 00:16:02,970 distinct source well the similarly 343 00:16:06,050 --> 00:16:04,620 you'll find similar things and a lot of 344 00:16:08,780 --> 00:16:06,060 these descriptions of the interiors of 345 00:16:11,810 --> 00:16:08,790 alien craft a lot of times you will find 346 00:16:13,130 --> 00:16:11,820 a taller fairy queen supervising shorter 347 00:16:14,570 --> 00:16:13,140 fairies again that's something that you 348 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:14,580 see in the modern abduction meet those 349 00:16:17,780 --> 00:16:16,290 where there's a taller supervising grey 350 00:16:20,810 --> 00:16:17,790 looking over all these shorter worker 351 00:16:22,850 --> 00:16:20,820 greys both carry wands both can paralyze 352 00:16:24,470 --> 00:16:22,860 people yesterday you know and yesteryear 353 00:16:27,590 --> 00:16:24,480 we see you have fairy circles now we 354 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:27,600 have crop circles you know if someone in 355 00:16:33,530 --> 00:16:31,290 abdicated a might find themselves led to 356 00:16:34,790 --> 00:16:33,540 a lonely location and that's where they 357 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:34,800 have their experience well there was 358 00:16:37,910 --> 00:16:36,570 this phenomenon of being Pixy lit back 359 00:16:39,890 --> 00:16:37,920 in the British Isles that you would just 360 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:39,900 be pulled to an area without knowing why 361 00:16:43,220 --> 00:16:41,370 or you'd be turned around and not really 362 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:43,230 find out where you are fairies pinched 363 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:44,850 and poked their victims aliens perform 364 00:16:49,310 --> 00:16:48,210 surgeries on theirs you know I mentioned 365 00:16:51,829 --> 00:16:49,320 one thing that I found really 366 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:51,839 fascinating that I was I was really 367 00:16:58,010 --> 00:16:54,330 struck by because I couldn't find an 368 00:16:59,150 --> 00:16:58,020 analogue for alien implants in fairy 369 00:17:00,650 --> 00:16:59,160 lore and that had really bugged me 370 00:17:02,150 --> 00:17:00,660 because obviously there's these so many 371 00:17:03,500 --> 00:17:02,160 rich connections I thought there had be 372 00:17:05,780 --> 00:17:03,510 some sort of analog and that's until I 373 00:17:07,370 --> 00:17:05,790 discovered this phenomena of the fairy 374 00:17:09,010 --> 00:17:07,380 blast and that's the same shared 375 00:17:11,510 --> 00:17:09,020 etymology between the words blast 376 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:11,520 blustery and blister they're all the 377 00:17:14,780 --> 00:17:13,050 shared word the idea was that the 378 00:17:16,850 --> 00:17:14,790 fairies would travel on the winds again 379 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:16,860 this met levitation motif that you see 380 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:19,410 in alien abductions as well but fairies 381 00:17:21,980 --> 00:17:20,610 would travel on the winds and if you 382 00:17:23,449 --> 00:17:21,990 happen to offend the fairies you might 383 00:17:27,350 --> 00:17:23,459 get hit with a fairy blast which would 384 00:17:29,780 --> 00:17:27,360 manifest itself in a boil or bump or 385 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:29,790 tumor on the skin and when opened up it 386 00:17:33,350 --> 00:17:31,410 would actually yield bits of bone 387 00:17:36,430 --> 00:17:33,360 sometimes bits of ceramic bits of 388 00:17:39,500 --> 00:17:36,440 mineral bits of rock I've even found 389 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:39,510 comparisons in the literature of fairy 390 00:17:42,710 --> 00:17:41,010 elements that sounds strikingly like 391 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:42,720 Morgellons disease which of course is 392 00:17:47,750 --> 00:17:44,250 something that I believe Tim did you 393 00:17:49,550 --> 00:17:47,760 author a book on that visit yeah yeah 394 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:49,560 there's actually there's actually a 395 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:51,210 Morgellons disease analog that I found 396 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:52,770 in some older fairy lore too so I think 397 00:17:56,510 --> 00:17:54,450 that if you dig deep enough you can find 398 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:56,520 pretty much a one-to-one comparison for 399 00:17:59,180 --> 00:17:56,850 anything 400 00:18:01,460 --> 00:17:59,190 a lot of this book a lot of my new book 401 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:01,470 really gets into is is this you know 402 00:18:05,390 --> 00:18:03,090 child abduction by fairies and child 403 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:05,400 abduction by modern aliens but within 404 00:18:09,350 --> 00:18:07,770 that too there are these myths of nummis 405 00:18:10,159 --> 00:18:09,360 but rather a motifs of hybridization 406 00:18:16,820 --> 00:18:10,169 that 407 00:18:18,499 --> 00:18:16,830 both sets of lure the implant really got 408 00:18:20,479 --> 00:18:18,509 me that really got me I've got to say 409 00:18:22,039 --> 00:18:20,489 I've never seen that before yours was 410 00:18:25,639 --> 00:18:22,049 the first time I found that sort of 411 00:18:28,159 --> 00:18:25,649 comparison and I was blown away because 412 00:18:29,690 --> 00:18:28,169 there it's it's undeniably sounding 413 00:18:31,609 --> 00:18:29,700 similar because with the I am assuming 414 00:18:33,529 --> 00:18:31,619 with the alien implants it's virtually 415 00:18:36,289 --> 00:18:33,539 identical type of material that they're 416 00:18:38,389 --> 00:18:36,299 finding yeah they're really just 417 00:18:40,849 --> 00:18:38,399 surprised me too because like part of 418 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:40,859 this project of mine was to be really 419 00:18:44,599 --> 00:18:42,330 intellectually honest with myself and 420 00:18:46,249 --> 00:18:44,609 define these areas that I couldn't see a 421 00:18:47,659 --> 00:18:46,259 real direct correlation and there are 422 00:18:49,759 --> 00:18:47,669 some things that have been pointed out 423 00:18:51,649 --> 00:18:49,769 in the alien hybridization narrative 424 00:18:53,210 --> 00:18:51,659 that we have antecedents in fairy lore 425 00:18:55,399 --> 00:18:53,220 but really trying to reconcile those was 426 00:18:57,289 --> 00:18:55,409 another real source of impetus for this 427 00:19:01,700 --> 00:18:57,299 for the for the for the new book to not 428 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:01,710 to make it all about my new book yeah 429 00:19:09,139 --> 00:19:06,690 but you know go ahead I'm sorry well 430 00:19:10,580 --> 00:19:09,149 I'll just just keep you know with the 431 00:19:13,629 --> 00:19:10,590 the whole you know the changing 432 00:19:16,940 --> 00:19:13,639 changeling to be alien hybridization 433 00:19:20,210 --> 00:19:16,950 motive you've got a lot of these reports 434 00:19:23,599 --> 00:19:20,220 about a women who claim that they have 435 00:19:26,269 --> 00:19:23,609 been abducted and shown children that 436 00:19:28,759 --> 00:19:26,279 they claim are theirs that they're you 437 00:19:31,700 --> 00:19:28,769 know hybrids between you know humans and 438 00:19:34,789 --> 00:19:31,710 extraterrestrials and a lot of times the 439 00:19:36,769 --> 00:19:34,799 descriptions that have been provided of 440 00:19:39,049 --> 00:19:36,779 the so-called two hybrids are very 441 00:19:41,450 --> 00:19:39,059 reminiscent of some of the old stories 442 00:19:43,489 --> 00:19:41,460 of the changelings yeah that's that's an 443 00:19:45,019 --> 00:19:43,499 excellent observation and a certain 444 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:45,029 portion of my book is redundant in a 445 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:47,129 sense because Graham Hancock did such a 446 00:19:49,820 --> 00:19:48,570 good job of really pointing out a lot of 447 00:19:51,139 --> 00:19:49,830 the similarities in his book 448 00:19:52,879 --> 00:19:51,149 supernatural I mean other people of 449 00:19:54,229 --> 00:19:52,889 order than two but the description of 450 00:19:55,369 --> 00:19:54,239 these hybrid babies sound almost just 451 00:19:56,629 --> 00:19:55,379 like changing so what you've got to 452 00:19:58,279 --> 00:19:56,639 start to do is you gotta start to pull 453 00:20:00,129 --> 00:19:58,289 apart the constituent parts of these 454 00:20:03,259 --> 00:20:00,139 different motifs and think about 455 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:03,269 exchanges with the Otherworld children 456 00:20:06,919 --> 00:20:05,129 of the Otherworld left in our world our 457 00:20:08,810 --> 00:20:06,929 children and the Otherworld and you know 458 00:20:10,220 --> 00:20:08,820 try to sort of wrap your head around it 459 00:20:12,979 --> 00:20:10,230 I mean I think it would takes very 460 00:20:15,349 --> 00:20:12,989 little very little arguing from at least 461 00:20:18,349 --> 00:20:15,359 like almost sort of a literary literary 462 00:20:20,450 --> 00:20:18,359 critical standpoint to see how a 463 00:20:23,330 --> 00:20:20,460 narrative like indigo children is almost 464 00:20:23,900 --> 00:20:23,340 sort of a inversion of the changeling 465 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:23,910 motif 466 00:20:28,910 --> 00:20:26,250 you have a desirable child sort of from 467 00:20:31,310 --> 00:20:28,920 the other world and moreover you have 468 00:20:33,260 --> 00:20:31,320 you know that the parents in that case 469 00:20:34,940 --> 00:20:33,270 reframed as the alien other because to 470 00:20:36,620 --> 00:20:34,950 the indigo child they're the Impostors 471 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:36,630 they're actual they're actual parents or 472 00:20:42,590 --> 00:20:39,930 you know on the spaceship as it were and 473 00:20:44,270 --> 00:20:42,600 uh you know I I'm I'm agnostic as to 474 00:20:46,130 --> 00:20:44,280 test the reality of something like 475 00:20:48,110 --> 00:20:46,140 indigo children I'm actually agnostic to 476 00:20:49,790 --> 00:20:48,120 a lot of this stuff it other than to say 477 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:49,800 that I think something very genuinely 478 00:20:54,620 --> 00:20:51,930 anomalous and objective and separate 479 00:20:56,110 --> 00:20:54,630 from human kind is going on you know 480 00:20:58,670 --> 00:20:56,120 something that I would really love to uh 481 00:21:01,340 --> 00:20:58,680 that's something I really love to pursue 482 00:21:03,380 --> 00:21:01,350 and maybe we can as this conversation 483 00:21:06,380 --> 00:21:03,390 goes on is Susan's very astute 484 00:21:08,270 --> 00:21:06,390 observation about this association and 485 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:08,280 conflation with the dead I mean it's it 486 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:10,050 the farther you get into this especially 487 00:21:13,370 --> 00:21:11,610 on the ferry end and I've done less 488 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:13,380 research into alien and although I have 489 00:21:19,430 --> 00:21:17,010 some idea that but to really look at to 490 00:21:21,980 --> 00:21:19,440 really look at the sort of conflation of 491 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:21,990 the faeries and aliens with the dead and 492 00:21:25,730 --> 00:21:24,090 with the afterlife I think it's really 493 00:21:28,250 --> 00:21:25,740 sort of the bleeding edge of where a lot 494 00:21:31,310 --> 00:21:28,260 of anomalistic should be looking at 495 00:21:33,970 --> 00:21:31,320 Diana testament and I did a book a 496 00:21:35,330 --> 00:21:33,980 couple of years ago about UFOs and 497 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:35,340 heaven 498 00:21:39,020 --> 00:21:37,170 we found that quite a few people were 499 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:39,030 reporting that when they went on board 500 00:21:43,730 --> 00:21:42,210 their UFO or had a UFO experience that 501 00:21:46,910 --> 00:21:43,740 they were seeing their loved ones who 502 00:21:49,130 --> 00:21:46,920 had you know passed away of course some 503 00:21:52,490 --> 00:21:49,140 people like dr. Carla Turner insists 504 00:21:56,330 --> 00:21:52,500 that it's a just a you know smoke smoke 505 00:21:59,150 --> 00:21:56,340 and mirrors and you know like a hologram 506 00:22:01,880 --> 00:21:59,160 or a hallucination or or something to 507 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:01,890 cover up the true image of whatever is 508 00:22:06,620 --> 00:22:03,810 there before them but there have been 509 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:06,630 any number of cases where loved ones 510 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:11,610 apparently have been attached to UFOs 511 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:13,530 and coming out of them or been seen on 512 00:22:19,580 --> 00:22:15,770 board for that for whatever it's worth 513 00:22:22,610 --> 00:22:19,590 worth you ya know I and I know I do not 514 00:22:24,050 --> 00:22:22,620 dismiss any of Carla Turner's work I you 515 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:24,060 know if she passed away before I got 516 00:22:26,810 --> 00:22:25,290 involved in all this but she's someone 517 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:26,820 whose opinion and that I would I would 518 00:22:30,740 --> 00:22:28,410 value very much and that speaks again to 519 00:22:32,120 --> 00:22:30,750 these ideas of the deception and 520 00:22:33,620 --> 00:22:32,130 trickery that we have to wrestle with 521 00:22:35,180 --> 00:22:33,630 whenever were you know 522 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:35,190 invested in this sort of thing for 523 00:22:39,250 --> 00:22:36,770 certain 524 00:22:41,799 --> 00:22:39,260 but you know the difficulty for me 525 00:22:42,910 --> 00:22:41,809 really rears its head is that if if 526 00:22:44,799 --> 00:22:42,920 there are so many similarities between 527 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:44,809 the alien contact experience and the 528 00:22:48,790 --> 00:22:47,330 fairy lore and the fairies have this 529 00:22:49,630 --> 00:22:48,800 close association with the dead where 530 00:22:51,910 --> 00:22:49,640 does that leave us 531 00:22:53,260 --> 00:22:51,920 in terms of modern ufology well leave 532 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:53,270 this in a place that no modern you 533 00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:55,490 follow just really want to go I think 534 00:22:58,540 --> 00:22:57,770 except for people like you know who are 535 00:23:00,850 --> 00:22:58,550 looking at it from different 536 00:23:05,890 --> 00:23:00,860 perspectives like again like like Susan 537 00:23:08,890 --> 00:23:05,900 so I say let's go there what well do you 538 00:23:10,660 --> 00:23:08,900 think that there there is no now you've 539 00:23:12,580 --> 00:23:10,670 you've written that I guess or been 540 00:23:16,630 --> 00:23:12,590 involved in move on to some extent are 541 00:23:19,810 --> 00:23:16,640 they opposed to this altogether up to me 542 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:19,820 or or or or yeah yeah I guess Josh do 543 00:23:24,580 --> 00:23:22,730 you I mean I mean I it's getting better 544 00:23:26,169 --> 00:23:24,590 let's I hear the break coming up let's 545 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:26,179 just say it's getting a better Intel we 546 00:23:30,170 --> 00:23:41,310 [Music] 547 00:23:48,010 --> 00:23:45,430 now back to exploring the bazaar with 548 00:23:51,340 --> 00:23:48,020 two of the most electrifying researchers 549 00:23:57,430 --> 00:23:51,350 in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becca 550 00:23:59,860 --> 00:23:57,440 Lee Anton's lists and welcome back to 551 00:24:01,900 --> 00:23:59,870 exploring the bazaar unto Swartz and 552 00:24:05,799 --> 00:24:01,910 tonight we're talking with Josh kitchen 553 00:24:08,169 --> 00:24:05,809 and Susan Demeter st. Clare so Susan you 554 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:08,179 were saying during the break that I 555 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:11,530 guess that you've had some unusual 556 00:24:18,159 --> 00:24:14,090 experiences recently while reading 557 00:24:21,700 --> 00:24:18,169 justice Brooke yes I have 558 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:21,710 it's I I'm used to having strange things 559 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:24,650 happen around me so it's it but this was 560 00:24:29,500 --> 00:24:27,650 this was really bizarre I was reading 561 00:24:31,150 --> 00:24:29,510 the book and I was getting I think I was 562 00:24:35,110 --> 00:24:31,160 in the part you were talking about the 563 00:24:37,090 --> 00:24:35,120 Icelandic sort of the fairy folk and the 564 00:24:38,350 --> 00:24:37,100 fairies and there was a case in there 565 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:38,360 where someone had been playing with 566 00:24:42,100 --> 00:24:39,890 these children that were coming out of 567 00:24:44,470 --> 00:24:42,110 like sort of the a mountainous region 568 00:24:45,789 --> 00:24:44,480 and then later they figured that they 569 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:45,799 were actually playing with the hidden 570 00:24:51,060 --> 00:24:48,890 people so I think it was at that point 571 00:24:53,830 --> 00:24:51,070 that I had stopped reading and I sort of 572 00:24:58,720 --> 00:24:53,840 put out my lights I was going to sleep 573 00:25:01,330 --> 00:24:58,730 and not and I woke up and I have this in 574 00:25:03,580 --> 00:25:01,340 my room I have it a tree that I made it 575 00:25:05,260 --> 00:25:03,590 it's a fairy tree this is what I call it 576 00:25:08,860 --> 00:25:05,270 because I do for the last several years 577 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:08,870 I've sort of practiced a form of fairy 578 00:25:14,950 --> 00:25:11,570 faith so I have this fairy tree beside 579 00:25:16,690 --> 00:25:14,960 my altar and I woke up in the morning 580 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:16,700 and the fairy tree was glowing like it 581 00:25:20,530 --> 00:25:18,530 has I have these like little sort of 582 00:25:24,100 --> 00:25:20,540 fairy like Christmas lights little LED 583 00:25:26,860 --> 00:25:24,110 lights now that was off and I know that 584 00:25:30,130 --> 00:25:26,870 it had been off and I have no idea how 585 00:25:32,020 --> 00:25:30,140 these lights just sprang on but I mean 586 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:32,030 it kind of freaked me out like a little 587 00:25:36,700 --> 00:25:33,650 bit of a poltergeist like thing 588 00:25:38,049 --> 00:25:36,710 happening you know as I had fallen 589 00:25:39,310 --> 00:25:38,059 asleep with all these thoughts of 590 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:39,320 reading in your book that we're 591 00:25:42,940 --> 00:25:41,570 percolating in my mind it really sort of 592 00:25:46,590 --> 00:25:42,950 kind of creeped me out a little bit 593 00:25:48,549 --> 00:25:46,600 because the fairies are not necessarily 594 00:25:50,830 --> 00:25:48,559 always really nice 595 00:25:53,499 --> 00:25:50,840 as they're depicted sort of fairies as 596 00:25:55,779 --> 00:25:53,509 you know they can be quite sinister I 597 00:25:58,840 --> 00:25:55,789 tend to sort of leave offerings for them 598 00:26:00,279 --> 00:25:58,850 and that and I had forgotten but I had 599 00:26:03,070 --> 00:26:00,289 been reading your book and then yeah 600 00:26:05,350 --> 00:26:03,080 it's just my tree which is about I think 601 00:26:07,570 --> 00:26:05,360 I have a picture of it on my blog it's 602 00:26:09,549 --> 00:26:07,580 about five feet tall this tree and it's 603 00:26:11,049 --> 00:26:09,559 all decorated up with fairies and lights 604 00:26:12,549 --> 00:26:11,059 not and it was just glowing and 605 00:26:14,409 --> 00:26:12,559 everything else was like pitch black 606 00:26:15,249 --> 00:26:14,419 except for that it was just sort of like 607 00:26:17,710 --> 00:26:15,259 wow 608 00:26:20,710 --> 00:26:17,720 waking up with that and and I can't 609 00:26:22,869 --> 00:26:20,720 explain how I know that's that's really 610 00:26:24,669 --> 00:26:22,879 fascinating Susan because right it 611 00:26:26,739 --> 00:26:24,679 sounds like it sounds like a great 612 00:26:29,889 --> 00:26:26,749 marketing ploy but I've actually had a 613 00:26:31,810 --> 00:26:29,899 couple other people I should think that 614 00:26:36,340 --> 00:26:31,820 you know Timothy Ritter from the strange 615 00:26:38,049 --> 00:26:36,350 familiars podcast okay Tim Tim has a 616 00:26:39,970 --> 00:26:38,059 great podcast himself called strange 617 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:39,980 familiars Timothy Turner and he actually 618 00:26:45,210 --> 00:26:43,129 had he hasn't talked me much about it he 619 00:26:48,940 --> 00:26:45,220 actually had a really profound dream and 620 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:48,950 easily the most profound dream that I've 621 00:26:53,190 --> 00:26:50,090 ever had 622 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:53,200 of sort of an with some anomalous motifs 623 00:26:56,470 --> 00:26:55,129 happened to me just before this was 624 00:27:00,029 --> 00:26:56,480 published so I don't know maybe there's 625 00:27:02,980 --> 00:27:00,039 maybe there's something in the book 626 00:27:05,379 --> 00:27:02,990 honest with you I have read like well I 627 00:27:07,899 --> 00:27:05,389 we do the same kind of research and so I 628 00:27:11,169 --> 00:27:07,909 I have read numerous types of different 629 00:27:12,970 --> 00:27:11,179 and very spooky stuff and and and I 630 00:27:15,369 --> 00:27:12,980 never I've never actually had something 631 00:27:18,129 --> 00:27:15,379 like that happen per se with a book in 632 00:27:20,230 --> 00:27:18,139 that sort of manner I found it really 633 00:27:22,899 --> 00:27:20,240 sort of eerie and strange and cool at 634 00:27:24,669 --> 00:27:22,909 the same time so I did sort of make an 635 00:27:27,789 --> 00:27:24,679 offering and I I did my sort of thing 636 00:27:29,799 --> 00:27:27,799 with the fairies afterwards but I mean I 637 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:29,809 I thought I should tell you I should let 638 00:27:33,940 --> 00:27:32,570 you know that it just sort of I really 639 00:27:35,889 --> 00:27:33,950 felt that there was something with the 640 00:27:38,139 --> 00:27:35,899 book I don't know if it was that 641 00:27:39,820 --> 00:27:38,149 specific passage or that chapter that I 642 00:27:41,980 --> 00:27:39,830 had was reading at the time but it was 643 00:27:45,489 --> 00:27:41,990 something I felt correlated to the book 644 00:27:53,499 --> 00:27:45,499 I don't know I just I don't I and no 645 00:27:55,930 --> 00:27:53,509 this is not a marketing ploy I'll do 646 00:27:58,869 --> 00:27:55,940 what so few skeptics nowadays can and 647 00:27:59,340 --> 00:27:58,879 say interesting if true yeah there you 648 00:28:02,050 --> 00:27:59,350 go 649 00:28:04,930 --> 00:28:02,060 well Susan you made a knitter 650 00:28:07,360 --> 00:28:04,940 in point though about saying that you 651 00:28:11,170 --> 00:28:07,370 know despite the disney-esque 652 00:28:14,770 --> 00:28:11,180 types of ferries traditionally of the 653 00:28:19,420 --> 00:28:14,780 wee folk aren't necessarily that well 654 00:28:22,810 --> 00:28:19,430 disposed to people we had on a guest a 655 00:28:26,140 --> 00:28:22,820 couple of weeks ago John Tenney and he 656 00:28:29,380 --> 00:28:26,150 told us a story about how he had been in 657 00:28:32,350 --> 00:28:29,390 invited by this elderly gentleman who 658 00:28:36,610 --> 00:28:32,360 had to come out into the woods with him 659 00:28:37,990 --> 00:28:36,620 to to meet the the elves this this older 660 00:28:39,850 --> 00:28:38,000 gentleman said that he had learned how 661 00:28:43,630 --> 00:28:39,860 to call the elves out of the forest and 662 00:28:45,430 --> 00:28:43,640 so when John went with him and this was 663 00:28:48,070 --> 00:28:45,440 in the middle of a Michigan winter that 664 00:28:49,390 --> 00:28:48,080 all of a sudden they started seeing he 665 00:28:52,990 --> 00:28:49,400 described and they almost look like 666 00:28:57,190 --> 00:28:53,000 fireflies and this this this old guy 667 00:29:00,360 --> 00:28:57,200 told him to take a picture at he 668 00:29:04,540 --> 00:29:00,370 indicated like at this log close by and 669 00:29:07,810 --> 00:29:04,550 when John did he could see when when the 670 00:29:09,190 --> 00:29:07,820 flash went off he saw you know he 671 00:29:10,780 --> 00:29:09,200 described it he said it looked kind of 672 00:29:12,580 --> 00:29:10,790 you know like like kinda like the 673 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:12,590 traditional elf you know this you know 674 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:16,970 like a short man with like wrinkly skin 675 00:29:23,020 --> 00:29:19,490 and I can't remember if he had on like a 676 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:23,030 hat or things like that but the clincher 677 00:29:28,570 --> 00:29:25,730 of the story was is that after John said 678 00:29:32,260 --> 00:29:28,580 that after he got home that for weeks 679 00:29:34,510 --> 00:29:32,270 afterwards he things would be knocking 680 00:29:37,510 --> 00:29:34,520 on his door or climbing on the roof of 681 00:29:40,390 --> 00:29:37,520 his house tapping at the window and he 682 00:29:42,370 --> 00:29:40,400 asked a psychic friend of his who she 683 00:29:46,090 --> 00:29:42,380 told him that this elf had followed him 684 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:46,100 home and that he should invite it inside 685 00:29:52,870 --> 00:29:50,090 you know Lee offer it a lude and tell 686 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:52,880 him do you know to come inside and set 687 00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:53,930 in the quarter and makes itself 688 00:30:00,280 --> 00:29:57,530 comfortable and you know from my 689 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:00,290 research on this subject that I would 690 00:30:03,580 --> 00:30:01,610 think that would be the last thing that 691 00:30:07,180 --> 00:30:03,590 you'd want to do you never invite these 692 00:30:08,740 --> 00:30:07,190 things to come inside but you know if we 693 00:30:10,270 --> 00:30:08,750 had a Bigfoot podcast we'd be saying 694 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:10,280 well no no it's Bigfoot that's slapping 695 00:30:13,540 --> 00:30:12,170 his walls in rock yeah roof right 696 00:30:14,980 --> 00:30:13,550 because those are things which again 697 00:30:15,610 --> 00:30:14,990 sort of speaks to health 698 00:30:17,350 --> 00:30:15,620 sort of 699 00:30:20,130 --> 00:30:17,360 conflated and difficult these things are 700 00:30:22,210 --> 00:30:20,140 to pull apart you know as far as 701 00:30:23,740 --> 00:30:22,220 inviting something in I mean as long as 702 00:30:25,540 --> 00:30:23,750 you can keep it on good terms they can 703 00:30:27,310 --> 00:30:25,550 knock yourself out I mean there's 704 00:30:29,770 --> 00:30:27,320 there's a tradition of household spirits 705 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:29,780 too that are very beneficial as long as 706 00:30:32,890 --> 00:30:31,370 you you know stay on their good side and 707 00:30:35,230 --> 00:30:32,900 make sure that they're you know fed and 708 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:35,240 watered but when it comes down to you 709 00:30:37,540 --> 00:30:36,530 know forgetting to do that they could 710 00:30:40,210 --> 00:30:37,550 might make your life a living hell 711 00:30:42,460 --> 00:30:40,220 that's for sure well yeah well and it's 712 00:30:43,330 --> 00:30:42,470 like the you know the old stories of 713 00:30:45,100 --> 00:30:43,340 vampires 714 00:30:46,900 --> 00:30:45,110 you know the vampire would stand outside 715 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:46,910 your window and call your name at night 716 00:30:51,790 --> 00:30:49,970 and if you answered then that was an 717 00:30:57,970 --> 00:30:51,800 invitation for it to come in and you 718 00:31:03,090 --> 00:30:57,980 know suck your blood so but I just you 719 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:03,100 know this the this whole thing about 720 00:31:10,660 --> 00:31:07,970 trying to evoke the fairies or the 721 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:10,670 spirits or the aliens or what have you 722 00:31:15,370 --> 00:31:12,530 are be just traditionally it just never 723 00:31:17,950 --> 00:31:15,380 seems to be a good idea well the very 724 00:31:20,230 --> 00:31:17,960 the fairies in some cases I think it was 725 00:31:22,930 --> 00:31:20,240 once that where I first read that the 726 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:22,940 fairies in some cultures are considered 727 00:31:27,490 --> 00:31:25,490 to be the spirits of the dead like they 728 00:31:32,799 --> 00:31:27,500 actually are considered that they are 729 00:31:35,710 --> 00:31:32,809 the dead himself so I mean they all of 730 00:31:38,770 --> 00:31:35,720 these things seem to be pointing back to 731 00:31:42,540 --> 00:31:38,780 some sort of similar source whatever 732 00:31:45,549 --> 00:31:42,550 that source may be I don't know yeah 733 00:31:47,890 --> 00:31:45,559 gentleman by the name of Claude liket oh 734 00:31:51,220 --> 00:31:47,900 right sort of at length about this and 735 00:31:54,820 --> 00:31:51,230 some of his work where it's really this 736 00:31:56,470 --> 00:31:54,830 confusing melange of of different 737 00:31:58,900 --> 00:31:56,480 traditions sort of that go into 738 00:32:01,330 --> 00:31:58,910 especially the Western European sort of 739 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:01,340 fairy tradition you have you know genus 740 00:32:04,900 --> 00:32:03,890 the genus loci have a specific place of 741 00:32:07,030 --> 00:32:04,910 spirits associated with a particular 742 00:32:09,549 --> 00:32:07,040 spring or a particular rock formation or 743 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:09,559 a particular hill or mountain plus you 744 00:32:13,270 --> 00:32:11,570 know the the revered did the great 745 00:32:14,919 --> 00:32:13,280 warriors who died might be buried on 746 00:32:17,049 --> 00:32:14,929 that mountain and then their souls sort 747 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:17,059 of get conflated and trapped up in this 748 00:32:20,590 --> 00:32:18,890 as well plus let's add in some pagan 749 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:20,600 spirits to that to to sort of make it 750 00:32:26,050 --> 00:32:23,090 all even more confusing but it is a very 751 00:32:27,580 --> 00:32:26,060 constant thing that you'll find and a 752 00:32:29,060 --> 00:32:27,590 lot of you know different Western 753 00:32:31,700 --> 00:32:29,070 European cultures of 754 00:32:33,139 --> 00:32:31,710 berries and the dead I mean I there's no 755 00:32:34,610 --> 00:32:33,149 shortage of stories out of Ireland in 756 00:32:36,710 --> 00:32:34,620 particular where you know people will 757 00:32:38,029 --> 00:32:36,720 actually be taken to a fairy party and 758 00:32:40,009 --> 00:32:38,039 the reason that they won't drink the 759 00:32:41,450 --> 00:32:40,019 fairy punch is because they will see a 760 00:32:43,820 --> 00:32:41,460 deceased neighbor who's actually 761 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:43,830 standing there you know and says hey you 762 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:45,450 know I died a year ago and now I'm here 763 00:32:49,430 --> 00:32:46,610 with the fairies don't drink the punch 764 00:32:52,789 --> 00:32:49,440 similarly there's a tale out of that 765 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:52,799 Yeats related that he was told where an 766 00:32:57,379 --> 00:32:54,450 entire village is worth of dead were 767 00:32:59,779 --> 00:32:57,389 seen in a fairy fort one evening you 768 00:33:00,740 --> 00:32:59,789 know and and and similarly I mean you 769 00:33:02,509 --> 00:33:00,750 got to look at the way that these things 770 00:33:04,159 --> 00:33:02,519 were talked about I mean so you know 771 00:33:07,820 --> 00:33:04,169 this idea of you know someone who was 772 00:33:09,470 --> 00:33:07,830 deceased being taken from us that very 773 00:33:11,330 --> 00:33:09,480 much has its roots and the idea of being 774 00:33:12,980 --> 00:33:11,340 taken to the Otherworld and sometimes 775 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:12,990 people would be you know if someone was 776 00:33:15,740 --> 00:33:14,370 in a coma well they're where they were 777 00:33:17,779 --> 00:33:15,750 actually away with the fairies or if 778 00:33:19,279 --> 00:33:17,789 someone even if someone died they didn't 779 00:33:22,369 --> 00:33:19,289 die they were just with the fairies so 780 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:22,379 it really becomes confusing and quite 781 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:23,690 conflated in a lot of ways 782 00:33:33,830 --> 00:33:29,970 well sorry there are yeah there are some 783 00:33:37,100 --> 00:33:33,840 in the UFO field who believe that UFOs 784 00:33:39,799 --> 00:33:37,110 are actually crafts that come here to 785 00:33:43,159 --> 00:33:39,809 take the deceased over to the other side 786 00:33:46,999 --> 00:33:43,169 Kenneth Arnold believes that very very 787 00:33:48,980 --> 00:33:47,009 strongly and in fact what amazes me and 788 00:33:51,590 --> 00:33:48,990 I called this a June 24th enigma you 789 00:33:54,740 --> 00:33:51,600 know 10 or 12 researchers had died on 790 00:33:59,629 --> 00:33:54,750 the anniversary of his sighting June 791 00:34:02,360 --> 00:33:59,639 24th of course Lyle Stuart and Jackie 792 00:34:03,649 --> 00:34:02,370 Gleason who was a big UFO believer Frank 793 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:03,659 Scully 794 00:34:09,020 --> 00:34:06,570 you know there's quite a list and he 795 00:34:12,710 --> 00:34:09,030 believed that the UFOs were coming here 796 00:34:14,859 --> 00:34:12,720 for the most part to bring back to the 797 00:34:17,809 --> 00:34:14,869 other side the souls of the just 798 00:34:19,940 --> 00:34:17,819 recently deceased so to me that's kind 799 00:34:22,730 --> 00:34:19,950 of like a synchronicity a real tie-in if 800 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:22,740 there ever ever was one I mean yeah 801 00:34:27,260 --> 00:34:24,690 there's that sort of thinking is really 802 00:34:29,089 --> 00:34:27,270 choc through a lot of contact Eve lore 803 00:34:31,700 --> 00:34:29,099 too you know and so again it's that 804 00:34:34,369 --> 00:34:31,710 motif of this these beings of the 805 00:34:36,470 --> 00:34:34,379 Otherworld sort of I mean almost a sort 806 00:34:39,139 --> 00:34:36,480 of a psychopathic fashion you know sort 807 00:34:40,700 --> 00:34:39,149 of corralling and harvest it maybe 808 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:40,710 harvesting but definitely corralling and 809 00:34:45,330 --> 00:34:42,850 you know guiding spirits on the other 810 00:34:47,430 --> 00:34:45,340 side yeah this is what I was finding as 811 00:34:50,790 --> 00:34:47,440 well with the fairy lore and the 812 00:34:53,370 --> 00:34:50,800 specific northern Italian witches that 813 00:34:56,250 --> 00:34:53,380 had been persecuted by the Inquisition 814 00:34:58,530 --> 00:34:56,260 and they were describing going on these 815 00:34:59,850 --> 00:34:58,540 fairy death processionals and they would 816 00:35:01,860 --> 00:34:59,860 go with the fairies and the fairies 817 00:35:03,900 --> 00:35:01,870 would show them who in the village would 818 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:03,910 become you know in the next year would 819 00:35:09,060 --> 00:35:07,330 die so again there was that tie of the 820 00:35:12,290 --> 00:35:09,070 fairies that the fairies would come and 821 00:35:14,190 --> 00:35:12,300 take the the villagers away to to 822 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:14,200 wherever they were going to the other 823 00:35:19,740 --> 00:35:17,290 land fairy land which could be heaven or 824 00:35:22,500 --> 00:35:19,750 wherever but I mean I found that that 825 00:35:24,630 --> 00:35:22,510 sort of correlation they were also doing 826 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:24,640 these night battles and this was all 827 00:35:27,930 --> 00:35:26,770 very well detailed by the Inquisition at 828 00:35:29,820 --> 00:35:27,940 the time they would do these night 829 00:35:32,940 --> 00:35:29,830 battles in the sky and they were viewed 830 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:32,950 as lights in the sky so this was all 831 00:35:38,730 --> 00:35:35,530 written about five six hundred years ago 832 00:35:41,250 --> 00:35:38,740 and when you start looking at it and 833 00:35:43,410 --> 00:35:41,260 thinking about you know like the modern 834 00:35:47,010 --> 00:35:43,420 UFO interpretation it sounds very 835 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:47,020 similar I have also heard about the idea 836 00:35:52,650 --> 00:35:49,690 and I forget where it was that they were 837 00:35:55,380 --> 00:35:52,660 but someone had posited that the they 838 00:35:58,290 --> 00:35:55,390 had channeled disinformation in that the 839 00:36:00,570 --> 00:35:58,300 UFOs themselves the modern ones were 840 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:00,580 were designed by people who had died 841 00:36:04,350 --> 00:36:02,890 like these were scientists or people and 842 00:36:07,530 --> 00:36:04,360 they were trying to get back or 843 00:36:09,660 --> 00:36:07,540 communicate with our side and they were 844 00:36:11,340 --> 00:36:09,670 sending these UFOs so it's kind of 845 00:36:15,090 --> 00:36:11,350 similar to that sort of Kenneth Arnold 846 00:36:16,860 --> 00:36:15,100 that you had been mentioning that that 847 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:16,870 you know that it is somehow related to 848 00:36:20,940 --> 00:36:18,970 the dead either bringing the dead or the 849 00:36:22,890 --> 00:36:20,950 dead trying to communicate with us or 850 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:22,900 these are just different interpretations 851 00:36:27,510 --> 00:36:26,650 I guess of the modern UFO phenomena you 852 00:36:29,010 --> 00:36:27,520 know that's what's really interesting 853 00:36:30,510 --> 00:36:29,020 about that you mentioning that season 854 00:36:33,720 --> 00:36:30,520 which I hadn't ever really put together 855 00:36:35,790 --> 00:36:33,730 and until now but um you know Terence 856 00:36:38,580 --> 00:36:35,800 Mckenna and Graham Hancock to a degree - 857 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:38,590 we're very bullish on the art of Pablo 858 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:40,810 on Marengo who was someone who used to 859 00:36:45,030 --> 00:36:43,090 do depict ayahuasca art he actually once 860 00:36:46,650 --> 00:36:45,040 I believe refer to UFOs in that exact 861 00:36:48,980 --> 00:36:46,660 same capacity so I mean yeah that's 862 00:36:51,810 --> 00:36:48,990 that's a really really good find I never 863 00:36:53,580 --> 00:36:51,820 you know I'm less inclined to think of 864 00:36:55,310 --> 00:36:53,590 things like that so that's that's that's 865 00:36:57,140 --> 00:36:55,320 interesting well 866 00:37:01,610 --> 00:36:57,150 why it's fun to get together and just 867 00:37:03,710 --> 00:37:01,620 talk these things out right okay each 868 00:37:05,210 --> 00:37:03,720 other or we jam and see these things 869 00:37:08,210 --> 00:37:05,220 percolate next thing you know we have 870 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:08,220 all sorts of new fun things to look at 871 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:12,570 or think about yeah well that's to me 872 00:37:17,210 --> 00:37:14,490 that's really interesting though I had 873 00:37:19,270 --> 00:37:17,220 never thought about that concept that 874 00:37:22,990 --> 00:37:19,280 the you know of the UFOs are actually 875 00:37:25,340 --> 00:37:23,000 you know being constructed by a 876 00:37:30,500 --> 00:37:25,350 scientist from the other side trying to 877 00:37:34,850 --> 00:37:30,510 find a way back here because there is a 878 00:37:38,300 --> 00:37:34,860 whole genre of you know EVP 879 00:37:41,540 --> 00:37:38,310 communication you know an electronic 880 00:37:45,290 --> 00:37:41,550 voice phenomena where especially in 881 00:37:48,170 --> 00:37:45,300 Europe Germany places like that where 882 00:37:50,630 --> 00:37:48,180 they were using televisions and video 883 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:50,640 cameras and and things like that to 884 00:37:56,150 --> 00:37:53,610 communicate you know with these these 885 00:37:58,340 --> 00:37:56,160 other planes of reality but they were 886 00:38:00,700 --> 00:37:58,350 being successful only because that there 887 00:38:03,980 --> 00:38:00,710 were scientists on the other side 888 00:38:08,390 --> 00:38:03,990 building their own apparatus to 889 00:38:11,150 --> 00:38:08,400 communicate with with our world so that 890 00:38:13,790 --> 00:38:11,160 the the UFO angle I mean there's there's 891 00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:13,800 another aspect that I need to do some 892 00:38:21,250 --> 00:38:18,690 more research on do a ferries do they 893 00:38:24,410 --> 00:38:21,260 speak verbally to those that they 894 00:38:26,780 --> 00:38:24,420 contact or is it a telepath I think or 895 00:38:30,620 --> 00:38:26,790 how do they actually communicate in most 896 00:38:34,910 --> 00:38:30,630 cases and what I found it's mostly a 897 00:38:37,430 --> 00:38:34,920 mixture with perhaps a slight tendency 898 00:38:39,230 --> 00:38:37,440 for older accounts to be actual 899 00:38:40,850 --> 00:38:39,240 verbalization and more modern accounts 900 00:38:42,710 --> 00:38:40,860 to have a telepathic component but I 901 00:38:45,830 --> 00:38:42,720 mean the telepathic component definitely 902 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:45,840 does run throughout the the the bulk of 903 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:47,490 all the stuff that I've encountered at 904 00:38:53,210 --> 00:38:51,690 least if you were in Ireland if you were 905 00:39:02,630 --> 00:38:53,220 in Ireland for example where they speak 906 00:39:06,710 --> 00:39:02,640 with it I very thick Irish I push the 907 00:39:08,870 --> 00:39:06,720 elbow up there speak to something that's 908 00:39:10,910 --> 00:39:08,880 really important which i think is that 909 00:39:13,309 --> 00:39:10,920 a lot of this whatever we're dealing 910 00:39:15,049 --> 00:39:13,319 with I think a lot of it is culturally 911 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:15,059 dependent I think whatever this thing is 912 00:39:19,970 --> 00:39:17,970 that we're seeing I think it knows how 913 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:19,980 to recontextualize itself I mean it's 914 00:39:25,460 --> 00:39:22,650 it's been pointed out to the point of 915 00:39:26,779 --> 00:39:25,470 becoming almost cliche but the fact that 916 00:39:28,999 --> 00:39:26,789 you know you have the airship wave 917 00:39:31,220 --> 00:39:29,009 looking like it's technology just beyond 918 00:39:33,740 --> 00:39:31,230 ours and that the way that the way that 919 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:33,750 certain UFO flaps always seem to be just 920 00:39:37,730 --> 00:39:35,490 beyond our capability and they always 921 00:39:39,710 --> 00:39:37,740 seem to come and sort of a you know in 922 00:39:41,779 --> 00:39:39,720 general sort of like you know this 923 00:39:44,599 --> 00:39:41,789 year's fashion is the black triangle you 924 00:39:46,220 --> 00:39:44,609 know that's sort of a context I you know 925 00:39:47,450 --> 00:39:46,230 I I would I would I would assume that 926 00:39:48,950 --> 00:39:47,460 you know accidents would be part and 927 00:39:50,420 --> 00:39:48,960 parcel for that certainly I mean you 928 00:39:52,009 --> 00:39:50,430 know I know that you're sort of being a 929 00:39:52,730 --> 00:39:52,019 little bit a little cheeky but I think I 930 00:39:55,999 --> 00:39:52,740 think you're really hitting on that 931 00:39:58,130 --> 00:39:56,009 point and how about how about children 932 00:40:00,829 --> 00:39:58,140 now your book is is it not primarily 933 00:40:03,980 --> 00:40:00,839 about children who ever encountered 934 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:03,990 fairies it is it's it's it's it's really 935 00:40:10,339 --> 00:40:08,490 comparing a lot of the older fairy lore 936 00:40:13,359 --> 00:40:10,349 and especially you know the changeling 937 00:40:16,279 --> 00:40:13,369 phenomena as well really setting up that 938 00:40:18,109 --> 00:40:16,289 that that body of evidence because in 939 00:40:19,569 --> 00:40:18,119 terms of like changeling scholarship 940 00:40:21,859 --> 00:40:19,579 there really hasn't been anything 941 00:40:25,249 --> 00:40:21,869 notable sort of like your one-stop-shop 942 00:40:27,079 --> 00:40:25,259 for changing more since around the I 943 00:40:30,289 --> 00:40:27,089 believed in 1930s there's a there's a 944 00:40:32,630 --> 00:40:30,299 out of print German text called der 945 00:40:34,039 --> 00:40:32,640 vessel bulk which I believe they're like 946 00:40:36,499 --> 00:40:34,049 just a handful of copies in existence 947 00:40:37,730 --> 00:40:36,509 still so I just want to try to pull a 948 00:40:41,599 --> 00:40:37,740 lot of these different disparate threads 949 00:40:43,460 --> 00:40:41,609 together and establish fairy abductions 950 00:40:44,749 --> 00:40:43,470 of children established the changeling 951 00:40:46,249 --> 00:40:44,759 phenomenon not only what they looked 952 00:40:47,420 --> 00:40:46,259 like but also the means of retrieving 953 00:40:48,559 --> 00:40:47,430 your child what happened to change 954 00:40:50,599 --> 00:40:48,569 things when they supposedly survived 955 00:40:52,430 --> 00:40:50,609 whatever you know what certain medical 956 00:40:54,620 --> 00:40:52,440 conditions could perhaps correspond to 957 00:40:56,329 --> 00:40:54,630 this because I'm convinced that perhaps 958 00:40:58,880 --> 00:40:56,339 even a majority of these changeling 959 00:41:01,180 --> 00:40:58,890 cases we're really just describing you 960 00:41:03,769 --> 00:41:01,190 know children with some some medical 961 00:41:05,749 --> 00:41:03,779 disabilities and then looking all that 962 00:41:07,430 --> 00:41:05,759 because I think there is it a not 963 00:41:08,990 --> 00:41:07,440 insignificant portion that really is 964 00:41:11,029 --> 00:41:09,000 describing something genuinely anomalous 965 00:41:13,819 --> 00:41:11,039 and looking at how that compares not 966 00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:13,829 only to you know modern tales of alien 967 00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:15,450 abduction of children but also the 968 00:41:19,579 --> 00:41:17,490 hybridization program as popularized by 969 00:41:21,710 --> 00:41:19,589 Budd Hopkins and David Jacobs as well as 970 00:41:22,550 --> 00:41:21,720 you know the David Politis missing for 971 00:41:24,380 --> 00:41:22,560 when one phenomenon 972 00:41:27,650 --> 00:41:24,390 and you know Sasquatch abduction of 973 00:41:29,450 --> 00:41:27,660 children as well and to it the children 974 00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:29,460 okay some of the if you go into the 975 00:41:34,940 --> 00:41:32,850 missing four one one phenomena some of 976 00:41:36,980 --> 00:41:34,950 the children are never brought back or 977 00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:36,990 never returned or never found would that 978 00:41:43,670 --> 00:41:41,610 be to say Amen in the fairy lore um yes 979 00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:43,680 I mean so if you look at sort of that's 980 00:41:47,690 --> 00:41:45,050 that's one of the one of the ways that 981 00:41:50,900 --> 00:41:47,700 failure heal or an alien lord do deviate 982 00:41:52,820 --> 00:41:50,910 is that you know a fairy fairy 983 00:41:53,300 --> 00:41:52,830 abductions might happen once and lasts 984 00:41:55,790 --> 00:41:53,310 forever 985 00:41:58,850 --> 00:41:55,800 whereas alien abductions might happen 986 00:42:02,060 --> 00:41:58,860 regularly but you know also lasts for a 987 00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:02,070 while too so um so in you know the 988 00:42:05,870 --> 00:42:04,170 missing for 1/1 stuff there are examples 989 00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:05,880 of children who disappear what I'm 990 00:42:08,540 --> 00:42:07,650 really just it in is you know some of 991 00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:08,550 these examples of the children who 992 00:42:12,220 --> 00:42:10,050 return are often found in a daze and 993 00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:12,230 they can't relate where they've been 994 00:42:19,850 --> 00:42:17,370 um similarly children who have allegedly 995 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:19,860 been taken by the fairies will return in 996 00:42:22,330 --> 00:42:21,210 two days and have difficult to describe 997 00:42:24,380 --> 00:42:22,340 where they've been um 998 00:42:26,390 --> 00:42:24,390 berry bushes where a place where you'd 999 00:42:28,070 --> 00:42:26,400 encounter fairies well pilatus has said 1000 00:42:30,860 --> 00:42:28,080 that berry bushes are a motif that 1001 00:42:32,150 --> 00:42:30,870 recurs time and again in these cases the 1002 00:42:34,100 --> 00:42:32,160 propensity for people to disappear 1003 00:42:36,110 --> 00:42:34,110 around Boulder fields to wear bright 1004 00:42:39,380 --> 00:42:36,120 colors and disappear to disappear around 1005 00:42:41,300 --> 00:42:39,390 running water all of these things have 1006 00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:41,310 again direct correlations in fairy lore 1007 00:42:44,750 --> 00:42:42,960 and of course I realized that you know I 1008 00:42:46,340 --> 00:42:44,760 sound like a little bit like the fairy 1009 00:42:48,980 --> 00:42:46,350 version of Giorgio tsoukalos you know 1010 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:48,990 therefore faithful but I think that it's 1011 00:42:52,220 --> 00:42:50,490 I think that's powerfully explicative 1012 00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:52,230 for a lot of things in the paranormal 1013 00:42:55,790 --> 00:42:53,520 without necessarily explaining 1014 00:42:58,760 --> 00:42:55,800 everything there's a lot of it that it 1015 00:43:00,620 --> 00:42:58,770 really does resonate and and okay so 1016 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:00,630 these things are happening would you say 1017 00:43:05,750 --> 00:43:03,210 yeah okay today most of the reports that 1018 00:43:09,290 --> 00:43:05,760 we hear about our abduction experiences 1019 00:43:12,500 --> 00:43:09,300 how many of them actually are children 1020 00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:12,510 talking about fairies and being taken 1021 00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:14,610 away I mean I've heard one or two 1022 00:43:20,750 --> 00:43:17,130 stories myself over the years you know 1023 00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:20,760 some somebody that I knew some abductee 1024 00:43:24,500 --> 00:43:22,170 that I had met or something would tell 1025 00:43:25,940 --> 00:43:24,510 me about how you know fairies for being 1026 00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:25,950 seen and their children were in contact 1027 00:43:32,300 --> 00:43:28,890 or something but how many of that type 1028 00:43:35,030 --> 00:43:32,310 of phenomena as opposed to the eat T a 1029 00:43:36,310 --> 00:43:35,040 hookup are taking place currently you 1030 00:43:38,140 --> 00:43:36,320 know it's frustrating I actually here 1031 00:43:40,150 --> 00:43:38,150 a couple of stories after I ended up 1032 00:43:42,670 --> 00:43:40,160 publishing the books so it's it's kind 1033 00:43:43,930 --> 00:43:42,680 of like a dang it almost made it uh you 1034 00:43:47,140 --> 00:43:43,940 know there are a couple here and there 1035 00:43:49,810 --> 00:43:47,150 that made it in but they are much more 1036 00:43:51,460 --> 00:43:49,820 culturally dependent and I mean then you 1037 00:43:52,690 --> 00:43:51,470 have with the alien abduction phenomenon 1038 00:43:55,870 --> 00:43:52,700 so people are more likely to perceive 1039 00:43:57,850 --> 00:43:55,880 that in in countries with really a more 1040 00:43:59,350 --> 00:43:57,860 robust fairy tradition um Susan have you 1041 00:44:01,000 --> 00:43:59,360 run across a lot of I've run across a 1042 00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:01,010 lot of experiences of children 1043 00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:02,930 encountering fairies but as far as 1044 00:44:06,730 --> 00:44:04,490 children being taken by what they 1045 00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:06,740 describe as fairies not as common 1046 00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:07,970 nowadays I don't know if you've read 1047 00:44:12,550 --> 00:44:10,130 anything yourself I haven't run into 1048 00:44:14,590 --> 00:44:12,560 anything as far as children are 1049 00:44:16,390 --> 00:44:14,600 concerned that would be contemporary but 1050 00:44:20,950 --> 00:44:16,400 I did have an interesting case actually 1051 00:44:25,750 --> 00:44:20,960 here in Ontario in a in a UFO sort of 1052 00:44:28,330 --> 00:44:25,760 area where a woman contacted me and and 1053 00:44:31,060 --> 00:44:28,340 she was a newcomer to Canada from 1054 00:44:36,340 --> 00:44:31,070 Columbia so not from a Celtic sort of an 1055 00:44:38,110 --> 00:44:36,350 area she was recently here and she 1056 00:44:40,540 --> 00:44:38,120 started having these encounters with 1057 00:44:45,130 --> 00:44:40,550 what she described as fairies in this 1058 00:44:47,020 --> 00:44:45,140 local park area and she contacted me at 1059 00:44:48,540 --> 00:44:47,030 a time when I said I was I was looking 1060 00:44:51,790 --> 00:44:48,550 for people with these sorts of 1061 00:44:54,820 --> 00:44:51,800 experiences and she she herself found it 1062 00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:54,830 very odd that you know in her new 1063 00:44:59,560 --> 00:44:57,290 adoptive country here she is having 1064 00:45:01,000 --> 00:44:59,570 these experiences with fairies and and 1065 00:45:03,220 --> 00:45:01,010 she was asking me like is this something 1066 00:45:05,470 --> 00:45:03,230 that's a thing that people normally see 1067 00:45:07,990 --> 00:45:05,480 now and I had to be honest and I said no 1068 00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:08,000 I don't really get many many sorts of 1069 00:45:13,740 --> 00:45:09,770 reports with fairies and fairy beings 1070 00:45:17,350 --> 00:45:13,750 but with children no not recently 1071 00:45:20,950 --> 00:45:17,360 although I do have a very sort of odd 1072 00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:20,960 story that I can tell about a group of 1073 00:45:28,720 --> 00:45:24,410 young people that disappeared without a 1074 00:45:30,790 --> 00:45:28,730 trace 23 years ago from a UFO known UFO 1075 00:45:32,770 --> 00:45:30,800 area here in Ontario I don't know how 1076 00:45:35,140 --> 00:45:32,780 much time I have before yeah we've we've 1077 00:45:37,240 --> 00:45:35,150 we've got about less than three minutes 1078 00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:37,250 left until our next break but we'll 1079 00:45:42,310 --> 00:45:40,010 bring that up during the second part of 1080 00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:42,320 the program which is Susan if I if I 1081 00:45:45,850 --> 00:45:44,210 could ask you a couple of things yeah 1082 00:45:47,900 --> 00:45:45,860 yeah so I've run into a lot of stories 1083 00:45:49,970 --> 00:45:47,910 here and there of children who have 1084 00:45:51,860 --> 00:45:49,980 really played with the fairies and in 1085 00:45:53,510 --> 00:45:51,870 some cultures entities that sound quite 1086 00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:53,520 a bit like fairies of dr. abducting 1087 00:45:57,020 --> 00:45:55,290 children but not as common really the 1088 00:45:58,490 --> 00:45:57,030 abduction but he said they were this 1089 00:46:02,060 --> 00:45:58,500 particular person you spoke to was from 1090 00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:02,070 where again Colombia okay which is what 1091 00:46:13,430 --> 00:46:05,130 what promise so South America Colombia 1092 00:46:16,850 --> 00:46:13,440 oh she emigrated to Canada is a 1093 00:46:18,380 --> 00:46:16,860 professional woman and and lives in this 1094 00:46:20,270 --> 00:46:18,390 area with this beautiful area of the 1095 00:46:22,850 --> 00:46:20,280 province she's got a lot of surrounded 1096 00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:22,860 by a sort of parkland and and and that 1097 00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:24,450 and she just she was going through a 1098 00:46:30,980 --> 00:46:27,330 very rough period in her life and in her 1099 00:46:33,230 --> 00:46:30,990 her personal life and and and I guess 1100 00:46:35,870 --> 00:46:33,240 you know and acclimatizing to to a very 1101 00:46:37,550 --> 00:46:35,880 different home and she just started 1102 00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:37,560 having these experiences with these 1103 00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:41,610 little lights in the forest and she kept 1104 00:46:46,070 --> 00:46:43,770 going back out and she started they 1105 00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:46,080 started to materialize into these little 1106 00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:48,570 what she describes as little fairies 1107 00:46:54,410 --> 00:46:50,970 like little women like with wings and 1108 00:46:58,160 --> 00:46:54,420 that and she but she found them to be 1109 00:47:01,550 --> 00:46:58,170 very comforting she found that she that 1110 00:47:03,980 --> 00:47:01,560 through her sort of being around these 1111 00:47:05,930 --> 00:47:03,990 beings she was able to work out some of 1112 00:47:08,720 --> 00:47:05,940 the issues she was going on in her life 1113 00:47:10,460 --> 00:47:08,730 and then they it's just started stopping 1114 00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:10,470 afterwards when I guess when things were 1115 00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:13,650 okay right that experiences the fairies 1116 00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:15,450 one eyed Susans Oni the interrupter here 1117 00:47:18,500 --> 00:47:16,770 because we need to go to our top of the 1118 00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:18,510 hour break when we but come back we will 1119 00:47:31,390 --> 00:47:20,610 talk more about the fairies we folk on 1120 00:47:38,339 --> 00:47:35,680 explode the bazaars are your e-ticket 1121 00:47:41,650 --> 00:47:38,349 ride into the world of the paranoid 1122 00:47:44,670 --> 00:47:41,660 strap yourself here as we traverse the 1123 00:47:49,049 --> 00:47:44,680 universe exploring the unexplained UFO 1124 00:47:51,430 --> 00:47:49,059 of ghosts Lost Worlds 1125 00:47:55,299 --> 00:47:51,440 cryptozoology waters as well as other 1126 00:47:59,680 --> 00:47:55,309 dimensions it's time to take back the 1127 00:48:02,950 --> 00:47:59,690 night last night now your electrifying 1128 00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:02,960 hosts of exploring the bizarre Timothy 1129 00:48:12,660 --> 00:48:10,290 all right and welcome back to the second 1130 00:48:15,990 --> 00:48:12,670 part of exploring the Bazaar tonight we 1131 00:48:19,620 --> 00:48:16,000 are talking with Joshua kuchan and Susan 1132 00:48:22,290 --> 00:48:19,630 Demeter's Saint Clair and Susan I know 1133 00:48:23,790 --> 00:48:22,300 that we had to interrupt you a little 1134 00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:23,800 bit from a story that you were wanting 1135 00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:25,930 to tell in our first segment so I'm 1136 00:48:31,590 --> 00:48:28,170 gonna let you do that now but first 1137 00:48:35,490 --> 00:48:31,600 maybe you can get into it a little bit 1138 00:48:42,890 --> 00:48:35,500 by telling us about your UFO experience 1139 00:48:46,980 --> 00:48:42,900 in 1990 and then some of the interesting 1140 00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:46,990 McCobb case it then happened afterwards 1141 00:48:55,050 --> 00:48:51,490 in that same area sure my my first sort 1142 00:48:58,110 --> 00:48:55,060 of adult UFO experience was in 1990 I 1143 00:49:00,390 --> 00:48:58,120 was 23 at the time and along with my 1144 00:49:04,590 --> 00:49:00,400 brother-in-law I saw this sort of large 1145 00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:04,600 pulsing or red or in the vicinity of the 1146 00:49:10,910 --> 00:49:07,090 Pickering nuclear power station which is 1147 00:49:13,740 --> 00:49:10,920 on the north shore of Lake Ontario and 1148 00:49:16,290 --> 00:49:13,750 we had witnessed this and I tend to call 1149 00:49:17,910 --> 00:49:16,300 it my initiation into the UFO experience 1150 00:49:20,130 --> 00:49:17,920 because it really as an adult you can't 1151 00:49:21,890 --> 00:49:20,140 sort of just sort of discount that as oh 1152 00:49:26,100 --> 00:49:21,900 I must have been an imaginative child 1153 00:49:27,780 --> 00:49:26,110 but this area where we saw this UFO and 1154 00:49:30,210 --> 00:49:27,790 and I'll copy out I wasn't really 1155 00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:30,220 interested in UFOs at all up until that 1156 00:49:36,450 --> 00:49:33,850 point but this specific area is well 1157 00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:36,460 known for UFOs there was a famous UFO 1158 00:49:41,670 --> 00:49:39,010 case there when the nuclear power plant 1159 00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:41,680 was just first being put together there 1160 00:49:46,260 --> 00:49:44,050 the police officers have seen UFOs there 1161 00:49:49,860 --> 00:49:46,270 security guards from the nuclear plant 1162 00:49:51,510 --> 00:49:49,870 itself many people over it over time and 1163 00:49:53,430 --> 00:49:51,520 it's been investigated a few times I 1164 00:49:57,030 --> 00:49:53,440 think by MUFON over the years that 1165 00:49:59,760 --> 00:49:57,040 specific area of the lake well about 1166 00:50:03,180 --> 00:49:59,770 five years after I had my UFO experience 1167 00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:03,190 there were five young guys they were 1168 00:50:09,720 --> 00:50:06,010 teenagers at that time so we're going 1169 00:50:13,500 --> 00:50:09,730 about 23 years ago now it was a night I 1170 00:50:15,870 --> 00:50:13,510 think it was in March 1995 they had been 1171 00:50:20,190 --> 00:50:15,880 partying and they I think the oldest one 1172 00:50:21,240 --> 00:50:20,200 was maybe 17 they took out two boats 1173 00:50:24,210 --> 00:50:21,250 from the marina 1174 00:50:27,300 --> 00:50:24,220 there and they just vanished they 1175 00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:27,310 vanished without a trace and the case 1176 00:50:34,500 --> 00:50:30,010 has become known as The Lost Boys of 1177 00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:34,510 Lake Ontario now I I did I'm I did 1178 00:50:38,490 --> 00:50:36,130 actually look to see if there was any 1179 00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:38,500 UFO reports on and in the timeframe that 1180 00:50:43,410 --> 00:50:40,450 they had disappeared and I couldn't find 1181 00:50:47,010 --> 00:50:43,420 any but the fact is is that it's very 1182 00:50:48,870 --> 00:50:47,020 odd that in the lake itself that had 1183 00:50:50,370 --> 00:50:48,880 they drowned which is the likely 1184 00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:50,380 explanation that somehow they had 1185 00:50:54,900 --> 00:50:52,330 capsized these boats they had drowned 1186 00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:54,910 that no body was ever found none and 1187 00:50:59,460 --> 00:50:56,290 there were no there was actually six I 1188 00:51:00,810 --> 00:50:59,470 said hi there's actually six of them not 1189 00:51:03,780 --> 00:51:00,820 theirs they vanished without a trace 1190 00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:03,790 nothing none of their clothing one of 1191 00:51:08,010 --> 00:51:06,130 them was wearing a hat you know none of 1192 00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:08,020 this stuff was ever found including the 1193 00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:10,210 boats the only thing that was ever found 1194 00:51:15,750 --> 00:51:12,850 was like a jerrican that I guess had had 1195 00:51:17,790 --> 00:51:15,760 some fuel for the the motor for one of 1196 00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:17,800 the boats but they just disappeared 1197 00:51:22,100 --> 00:51:19,450 without a trace and I have to note that 1198 00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:22,110 yes this is an area where people have 1199 00:51:27,420 --> 00:51:25,090 consistently reported not just lights in 1200 00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:27,430 the sky and like balls of light coming 1201 00:51:34,350 --> 00:51:29,770 in and out of the lake but also large 1202 00:51:38,850 --> 00:51:34,360 sort of structured spacecraft type UFOs 1203 00:51:41,610 --> 00:51:38,860 one of which I saw in 2001 so that was 1204 00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:41,620 that was my next big sort of UFO thing 1205 00:51:45,720 --> 00:51:43,450 and that was also in the same sort of 1206 00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:45,730 vicinity an area also with another 1207 00:51:50,460 --> 00:51:48,850 witness too so it's just something that 1208 00:51:52,590 --> 00:51:50,470 I thought about while reading Josh's 1209 00:51:55,110 --> 00:51:52,600 book about these were very young people 1210 00:51:57,330 --> 00:51:55,120 and the fact that they just they're gone 1211 00:51:59,520 --> 00:51:57,340 they're I feel my heart really goes up 1212 00:52:02,370 --> 00:51:59,530 to their families because there's never 1213 00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:02,380 been a trace of them since and every 1214 00:52:05,580 --> 00:52:03,850 year they go out and they try and they 1215 00:52:07,620 --> 00:52:05,590 put balloons out on with their names on 1216 00:52:09,690 --> 00:52:07,630 it at the lake and you know they're 1217 00:52:12,660 --> 00:52:09,700 hoping for some sort of information and 1218 00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:12,670 nothing in all these years so well yeah 1219 00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:15,610 how unlikely is it that that two boats 1220 00:52:20,940 --> 00:52:19,450 would just utterly disappear at the same 1221 00:52:24,510 --> 00:52:20,950 time now I can see you know if they were 1222 00:52:27,270 --> 00:52:24,520 in one book about and you know it it's 1223 00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:27,280 saying you know or something like that 1224 00:52:32,220 --> 00:52:29,290 yeah they you know they could disappear 1225 00:52:34,050 --> 00:52:32,230 but you have two boats and how unlikely 1226 00:52:34,860 --> 00:52:34,060 is that that both of them were just 1227 00:52:37,500 --> 00:52:34,870 utterly that 1228 00:52:39,630 --> 00:52:37,510 my god and it was a huge investigation 1229 00:52:41,730 --> 00:52:39,640 especially at the time the military was 1230 00:52:43,380 --> 00:52:41,740 out they were combing the lake that the 1231 00:52:47,100 --> 00:52:43,390 Marine units were out with the police 1232 00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:47,110 the Coast Guard the Marine units and the 1233 00:52:50,070 --> 00:52:48,970 police on the other side the American 1234 00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:50,080 side as well 1235 00:52:54,240 --> 00:52:52,930 lost civilian volunteers people going 1236 00:52:56,370 --> 00:52:54,250 and just combing and looking for even 1237 00:52:59,040 --> 00:52:56,380 just a scrap of anything a piece of 1238 00:53:02,580 --> 00:52:59,050 clothing something nothing in all these 1239 00:53:05,250 --> 00:53:02,590 years so to me that is very strange and 1240 00:53:07,290 --> 00:53:05,260 mysterious and tragic because there you 1241 00:53:10,020 --> 00:53:07,300 know these boys have just vanished 1242 00:53:11,940 --> 00:53:10,030 without a trace but again the fact it's 1243 00:53:14,250 --> 00:53:11,950 a known UFO area has got me thinking 1244 00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:14,260 that maybe there's some sort of 1245 00:53:19,740 --> 00:53:16,810 correlation there maybe not but maybe so 1246 00:53:21,690 --> 00:53:19,750 well you know you had also brought up a 1247 00:53:23,610 --> 00:53:21,700 point during the breakout that I found 1248 00:53:26,060 --> 00:53:23,620 interesting was that one of the one of 1249 00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:26,070 the boys is wearing a bright red jacket 1250 00:53:31,530 --> 00:53:28,810 yeah you're bright red and bright red 1251 00:53:33,540 --> 00:53:31,540 pants and it was just because josh had 1252 00:53:36,630 --> 00:53:33,550 mentioned before about bright colors in 1253 00:53:39,510 --> 00:53:36,640 red in certain fairy lore is a fairy 1254 00:53:41,970 --> 00:53:39,520 color or green so I was also wondering 1255 00:53:44,340 --> 00:53:41,980 maybe about the four one one the missing 1256 00:53:46,170 --> 00:53:44,350 people how often perhaps what kind of 1257 00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:46,180 colors were they wearing bright colors I 1258 00:53:52,230 --> 00:53:49,690 think so or yeah or specifically like 1259 00:53:54,150 --> 00:53:52,240 those fairy type colors where it's sort 1260 00:53:57,030 --> 00:53:54,160 of like you're in this area you're in 1261 00:54:01,560 --> 00:53:57,040 the space and maybe you're you know they 1262 00:54:04,620 --> 00:54:01,570 view you as hostile or whatever but but 1263 00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:04,630 these disappearances do occur and so I 1264 00:54:09,270 --> 00:54:06,850 mean that is a very physical thing like 1265 00:54:10,860 --> 00:54:09,280 we can talk about the dead and we can 1266 00:54:13,140 --> 00:54:10,870 talk about like you know the fact that 1267 00:54:14,580 --> 00:54:13,150 fairies could be like like the whole 1268 00:54:16,950 --> 00:54:14,590 thing could be some sort of shamanic 1269 00:54:18,890 --> 00:54:16,960 trip or completely in word but at the 1270 00:54:21,510 --> 00:54:18,900 same time you have physical 1271 00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:21,520 disappearances you have some physical 1272 00:54:26,910 --> 00:54:23,410 sort of trace however bizarre and weird 1273 00:54:29,100 --> 00:54:26,920 that it is but it is still it is somehow 1274 00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:29,110 interacting with this reality it's just 1275 00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:32,650 not all in some other reality well you 1276 00:54:36,240 --> 00:54:34,570 know I mean you know it makes I think it 1277 00:54:38,580 --> 00:54:36,250 makes perfect sense and you know I mean 1278 00:54:41,550 --> 00:54:38,590 I I think about sigh phenomena which I 1279 00:54:43,740 --> 00:54:41,560 mean is by definition interiorized but 1280 00:54:45,510 --> 00:54:43,750 can have an effect on the physical world 1281 00:54:47,850 --> 00:54:45,520 as well I mean the you know which is you 1282 00:54:48,750 --> 00:54:47,860 know that's as I said multiple times 1283 00:54:50,670 --> 00:54:48,760 that's 1284 00:54:53,310 --> 00:54:50,680 sigh phenomena and it's reality is the 1285 00:54:55,980 --> 00:54:53,320 one paranormal Hill that I will I will I 1286 00:54:57,960 --> 00:54:55,990 will die on like I will go to bat for 1287 00:55:00,240 --> 00:54:57,970 that every every day of the week because 1288 00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:00,250 there's such a tide of evidence that 1289 00:55:06,420 --> 00:55:03,370 suggests that even beyond suggest that 1290 00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:06,430 really all but confirms that this is a 1291 00:55:12,180 --> 00:55:08,770 reality of part of what we're dealing 1292 00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:12,190 with in this world you know judge I was 1293 00:55:19,970 --> 00:55:15,370 kind of surprised you have a chapter in 1294 00:55:23,100 --> 00:55:19,980 the book about the child's Sasquatch 1295 00:55:26,450 --> 00:55:23,110 abductions I mean do you think that 1296 00:55:29,970 --> 00:55:26,460 there's a link between all of this I 1297 00:55:34,470 --> 00:55:29,980 mean so again I I try to I try to do a 1298 00:55:36,330 --> 00:55:34,480 gut check to see if I'm if I have you 1299 00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:36,340 know if I've got this paramour Rorschach 1300 00:55:39,930 --> 00:55:37,930 test or whatever I'm interested and I 1301 00:55:42,690 --> 00:55:39,940 see everywhere which I know I'm sure 1302 00:55:45,300 --> 00:55:42,700 there's a little bit of that but the the 1303 00:55:48,540 --> 00:55:45,310 similarities between Bigfoot and fairies 1304 00:55:50,130 --> 00:55:48,550 are are really underappreciated I mean 1305 00:55:52,020 --> 00:55:50,140 you know they could there's plenty of 1306 00:55:54,090 --> 00:55:52,030 stories where a Bigfoot paralyzed from a 1307 00:55:55,950 --> 00:55:54,100 distance just like fairies and aliens 1308 00:55:57,390 --> 00:55:55,960 you know of course that card court 1309 00:56:00,510 --> 00:55:57,400 cryptozoologist will say that this is 1310 00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:00,520 some sort of infrasound bigfoot 1311 00:56:04,830 --> 00:56:02,530 resembles a number of fairy characters 1312 00:56:08,070 --> 00:56:04,840 including the Gili do of Scotland or the 1313 00:56:10,650 --> 00:56:08,080 woodwose or the British Isles there are 1314 00:56:12,720 --> 00:56:10,660 in some traditions Sasquatch connection 1315 00:56:16,260 --> 00:56:12,730 to the at the other world the afterlife 1316 00:56:19,140 --> 00:56:16,270 there's a food taboo associated with the 1317 00:56:22,290 --> 00:56:19,150 book lists of certain Alaskan First 1318 00:56:26,070 --> 00:56:22,300 Nations people which exactly mirrors the 1319 00:56:27,470 --> 00:56:26,080 fairy faiths taboo fairies fairies in 1320 00:56:30,660 --> 00:56:27,480 especially in like Brittany 1321 00:56:32,310 --> 00:56:30,670 um we're said to braid horses Mane's 1322 00:56:33,750 --> 00:56:32,320 well a lot of cryptozoologist say that 1323 00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:33,760 whenever you find braided horses Mane's 1324 00:56:38,190 --> 00:56:35,650 in the new world that must be bigfoot 1325 00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:38,200 both seem to have an interest in 1326 00:56:42,870 --> 00:56:40,930 livestock both mutilating them sometimes 1327 00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:42,880 in some cases and also like stealing 1328 00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:45,370 their milk their arse there is a growing 1329 00:56:51,300 --> 00:56:49,570 body of evidence to suggest that that 1330 00:56:53,250 --> 00:56:51,310 anomalous lights are often seen in areas 1331 00:56:54,900 --> 00:56:53,260 where Sasquatch are quite often and then 1332 00:56:58,020 --> 00:56:54,910 again you have these themes of hybridity 1333 00:56:59,820 --> 00:56:58,030 and stealing children as well it's it's 1334 00:57:02,430 --> 00:56:59,830 not a strong correlation by any stretch 1335 00:57:05,340 --> 00:57:02,440 of the imagination as the the fairy folk 1336 00:57:07,740 --> 00:57:05,350 aspect is but it's enough to give me 1337 00:57:09,270 --> 00:57:07,750 pause that's for sure 1338 00:57:11,190 --> 00:57:09,280 while the same time being completely 1339 00:57:14,850 --> 00:57:11,200 aware that I might have fairy pareidolia 1340 00:57:17,670 --> 00:57:14,860 as it is but there's there's no there's 1341 00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:17,680 there's really no shortage of First 1342 00:57:25,590 --> 00:57:22,650 Nations traditions that talk about 1343 00:57:29,700 --> 00:57:25,600 bigfoot-type creatures stealing children 1344 00:57:31,230 --> 00:57:29,710 as well I mean there was a 1:1 tribe on 1345 00:57:33,660 --> 00:57:31,240 the west coast the United States 1346 00:57:36,690 --> 00:57:33,670 actually had their children sleep in the 1347 00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:36,700 centre of their their their huts for the 1348 00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:39,610 fear that the thus the Bigfoot creature 1349 00:57:43,050 --> 00:57:41,170 would actually reach underneath the edge 1350 00:57:45,650 --> 00:57:43,060 of the hut to grab their children now in 1351 00:57:49,170 --> 00:57:45,660 these cases you know you'll often find 1352 00:57:54,210 --> 00:57:49,180 the implication is that Sasquatch is 1353 00:57:56,610 --> 00:57:54,220 seeking to eat these children unless 1354 00:57:58,020 --> 00:57:56,620 they're abducting a girl who's gone 1355 00:58:01,830 --> 00:57:58,030 through puberty in which case this 1356 00:58:03,900 --> 00:58:01,840 persistent theme of hybridity raises its 1357 00:58:06,390 --> 00:58:03,910 head again and there are actually a 1358 00:58:08,130 --> 00:58:06,400 couple of stories here and they're 1359 00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:08,140 pretty anecdotal but some stories here 1360 00:58:12,870 --> 00:58:10,050 and there from all over the world of 1361 00:58:19,140 --> 00:58:12,880 human hybrids with sort of these large 1362 00:58:20,730 --> 00:58:19,150 hairy ape men it's it's it's it's like I 1363 00:58:21,870 --> 00:58:20,740 said it's it's not as clear fit but 1364 00:58:23,820 --> 00:58:21,880 there's some similarities there 1365 00:58:24,900 --> 00:58:23,830 something that I've I really wondered is 1366 00:58:27,150 --> 00:58:24,910 you know even if we're not looking at 1367 00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:27,160 the same thing a lot of these VIN 1368 00:58:30,810 --> 00:58:29,170 diagrams overlap like there's some 1369 00:58:33,420 --> 00:58:30,820 there's some overlapping between a lot 1370 00:58:35,910 --> 00:58:33,430 of these different things um you know my 1371 00:58:39,030 --> 00:58:35,920 essay and the end the latest edition of 1372 00:58:40,950 --> 00:58:39,040 the latest edition of wood knocks vol 3 1373 00:58:42,450 --> 00:58:40,960 is basically looking at the similarities 1374 00:58:45,300 --> 00:58:42,460 between Bigfoot and poltergeist activity 1375 00:58:48,150 --> 00:58:45,310 which are which are pretty pronounced in 1376 00:58:50,490 --> 00:58:48,160 fact I just happen to have here a quote 1377 00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:50,500 from I guess it's the movie poltergeist 1378 00:58:56,460 --> 00:58:53,890 it says 1982 it's you're at the 1379 00:58:59,130 --> 00:58:56,470 beginning of your chapter as a baby in 1380 00:59:03,420 --> 00:58:59,140 my crib the crib creepers mmhmm mmhmm 1381 00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:03,430 yeah I I mean they're what what age does 1382 00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:07,330 this start all start well it's 1383 00:59:13,350 --> 00:59:10,450 interesting so if you there's this 1384 00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:13,360 persistency of the number seven the age 1385 00:59:17,490 --> 00:59:15,730 of seven and a lot of this different law 1386 00:59:19,380 --> 00:59:17,500 obviously that probably has some 1387 00:59:21,450 --> 00:59:19,390 folkloric connotation to lucky number 1388 00:59:23,190 --> 00:59:21,460 seven or in this case I'm lucky number 1389 00:59:27,740 --> 00:59:23,200 seven but if you look at certain 1390 00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:27,750 researchers for example Ian Stevenson 1391 00:59:34,020 --> 00:59:31,450 reincarnation researcher found that past 1392 00:59:38,490 --> 00:59:34,030 life memories send it to begin to wane 1393 00:59:42,770 --> 00:59:38,500 past the age of seven I believe it was a 1394 00:59:46,230 --> 00:59:42,780 British ghost researcher by the name of 1395 00:59:48,150 --> 00:59:46,240 Andrew Greene who suggested that psychic 1396 00:59:51,900 --> 00:59:48,160 intuition for children Peaks around age 1397 00:59:54,569 --> 00:59:51,910 7 oftentimes the fairies would take a 1398 00:59:56,910 --> 00:59:54,579 child for seven years or every seven 1399 00:59:59,220 --> 00:59:56,920 years the fairies would owe a blood oath 1400 01:00:00,900 --> 00:59:59,230 to the devil and some really extreme 1401 01:00:04,260 --> 01:00:00,910 Christian interpretations so there's 1402 01:00:05,700 --> 01:00:04,270 this persistent theme of seven basically 1403 01:00:07,470 --> 01:00:05,710 those years from zero to seven were 1404 01:00:10,140 --> 01:00:07,480 really quite vulnerable a lot of these 1405 01:00:12,810 --> 01:00:10,150 fairy traditions and you'll find 1406 01:00:14,310 --> 01:00:12,820 examples of children abducted I mean 1407 01:00:15,660 --> 01:00:14,320 obviously beyond this but the bulk of 1408 01:00:17,250 --> 01:00:15,670 fairy traditions say that they're 1409 01:00:19,410 --> 01:00:17,260 vulnerable from you know zero to 1410 01:00:23,870 --> 01:00:19,420 fourteen I think it's interesting that 1411 01:00:25,530 --> 01:00:23,880 if you look at the cultural 1412 01:00:27,839 --> 01:00:25,540 contextualization of a lot of this 1413 01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:27,849 behavior it seems as though this 1414 01:00:35,849 --> 01:00:31,170 corresponds roughly to adulthood you 1415 01:00:37,950 --> 01:00:35,859 know Eddie Bullard said that that alien 1416 01:00:40,380 --> 01:00:37,960 abduction tends to be a hazard of early 1417 01:00:43,490 --> 01:00:40,390 youth and drops off precipitously 1418 01:00:46,230 --> 01:00:43,500 thereafter and that seems to be the case 1419 01:00:47,940 --> 01:00:46,240 it seems to say more about culturally 1420 01:00:49,980 --> 01:00:47,950 defined notions of adulthood than it 1421 01:00:53,130 --> 01:00:49,990 does about than it does about the 1422 01:00:55,770 --> 01:00:53,140 phenomena objectively itself I mean the 1423 01:00:57,150 --> 01:00:55,780 danger of very abduction decreased once 1424 01:00:58,410 --> 01:00:57,160 she reached adulthood for the Middle 1425 01:01:01,500 --> 01:00:58,420 Ages which was around that you know sort 1426 01:01:03,089 --> 01:01:01,510 of 1415 sort of area well similarly you 1427 01:01:07,710 --> 01:01:03,099 know there's there's there's a little 1428 01:01:11,579 --> 01:01:07,720 bit more of a a drop-off in some of the 1429 01:01:13,950 --> 01:01:11,589 research that I've noticed where that 1430 01:01:16,380 --> 01:01:13,960 sort of adulthood sin seems to lessen 1431 01:01:18,059 --> 01:01:16,390 the risk of your first abduction now 1432 01:01:19,380 --> 01:01:18,069 this is a very broad and very gross 1433 01:01:20,970 --> 01:01:19,390 statement I realize are there plenty of 1434 01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:20,980 cases that sort of go against that trend 1435 01:01:25,410 --> 01:01:23,050 but that's generally speaking what I 1436 01:01:28,079 --> 01:01:25,420 found but in any case um there 1437 01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:28,089 definitely seems to be a correspondence 1438 01:01:31,730 --> 01:01:30,130 between youth and the 1439 01:01:34,770 --> 01:01:31,740 and these sort of extra-normal 1440 01:01:36,390 --> 01:01:34,780 experiences you know you don't hear 1441 01:01:39,420 --> 01:01:36,400 about a lot of 80 year olds getting 1442 01:01:41,270 --> 01:01:39,430 abducted for the first time or even I 1443 01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:41,280 had all that much 1444 01:01:46,620 --> 01:01:44,530 maybe not 80 year olds but there are a 1445 01:01:48,990 --> 01:01:46,630 few I remembered a case of the three 1446 01:01:50,910 --> 01:01:49,000 women returning from the birthday party 1447 01:01:53,190 --> 01:01:50,920 in the Liberty Kentucky but they were 1448 01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:53,200 all in there I think early fifties and 1449 01:02:00,359 --> 01:01:56,890 they were you know what they taking up a 1450 01:02:04,859 --> 01:02:00,369 course maybe we have more of a reporting 1451 01:02:09,030 --> 01:02:04,869 network on UFO sightings then once 1452 01:02:10,530 --> 01:02:09,040 existed on you know in fairy fairy lore 1453 01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:10,540 I don't know how there are of course 1454 01:02:15,570 --> 01:02:11,890 books that have been written about it 1455 01:02:17,670 --> 01:02:15,580 and you know it is available widely in 1456 01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:17,680 the literature but probably everyone who 1457 01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:19,930 had an experience wasn't able to to jot 1458 01:02:27,089 --> 01:02:21,970 it down and and get it to the local 1459 01:02:28,950 --> 01:02:27,099 tabloid posit this how about the idea 1460 01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:28,960 that perhaps these adults are more 1461 01:02:35,790 --> 01:02:32,170 childlike in there and maybe they're 1462 01:02:37,380 --> 01:02:35,800 more creative maybe they're more you 1463 01:02:39,510 --> 01:02:37,390 know this is I think something going 1464 01:02:41,370 --> 01:02:39,520 back to Jeff or it's men's work with I 1465 01:02:43,829 --> 01:02:41,380 think it was project core that they were 1466 01:02:45,420 --> 01:02:43,839 finding that a lot of these people that 1467 01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:45,430 were having these experiences were 1468 01:02:49,859 --> 01:02:47,890 creative people and not something you 1469 01:02:52,650 --> 01:02:49,869 find in childhood children like to play 1470 01:02:54,990 --> 01:02:52,660 these their imagination they they're 1471 01:02:57,870 --> 01:02:55,000 utilizing that portion of their their 1472 01:02:59,640 --> 01:02:57,880 mind more than say perhaps other you 1473 01:03:01,109 --> 01:02:59,650 know when you become an adult and you're 1474 01:03:03,210 --> 01:03:01,119 filled with your job and doing other 1475 01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:03,220 sorts of things so I wonder if maybe 1476 01:03:06,990 --> 01:03:05,170 with some of these people that are 1477 01:03:10,140 --> 01:03:07,000 having these experiences as adults if 1478 01:03:12,900 --> 01:03:10,150 they are more childlike more playful or 1479 01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:12,910 creative in general I think that might 1480 01:03:17,609 --> 01:03:14,530 be worth something something to explore 1481 01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:17,619 anyway you have a really interesting 1482 01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:19,570 idea the way that people who tend to be 1483 01:03:22,820 --> 01:03:21,010 more creative tend to have these 1484 01:03:24,900 --> 01:03:22,830 experiences more consistently and 1485 01:03:26,910 --> 01:03:24,910 continue later in life that's a really 1486 01:03:29,070 --> 01:03:26,920 interesting idea and children are the 1487 01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:29,080 children are creative children like to 1488 01:03:33,030 --> 01:03:31,330 play they like to create they they have 1489 01:03:35,940 --> 01:03:33,040 their there's you know their playtime 1490 01:03:38,370 --> 01:03:35,950 right it's so in a lot of adults lose 1491 01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:38,380 that unfortunately so I'm wondering if 1492 01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:40,930 there's a correlation there because I 1493 01:03:46,170 --> 01:03:42,970 mean certainly adults report 1494 01:03:48,090 --> 01:03:46,180 ferries to is attentions like before 1495 01:03:49,980 --> 01:03:48,100 with these specific these these people 1496 01:03:51,120 --> 01:03:49,990 that were tried as witches who they were 1497 01:03:52,980 --> 01:03:51,130 claiming that they were having 1498 01:03:55,170 --> 01:03:52,990 experiences with fairies now those 1499 01:03:57,710 --> 01:03:55,180 fairies and because we're going back 500 1500 01:04:00,210 --> 01:03:57,720 years ago were like normal sized like 1501 01:04:02,730 --> 01:04:00,220 beings they were more like the Icelandic 1502 01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:02,740 fairies or the Hidden folk but they were 1503 01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:04,330 still you know reporting these 1504 01:04:09,870 --> 01:04:06,970 experiences with fairies and showing 1505 01:04:12,380 --> 01:04:09,880 them the dead so they were they were 1506 01:04:17,730 --> 01:04:12,390 adults so I I think that it's it's 1507 01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:17,740 across the board age wise you know yeah 1508 01:04:23,850 --> 01:04:20,770 fairies follow fairies follow people I 1509 01:04:25,740 --> 01:04:23,860 mean like in UFO abductions or even in 1510 01:04:28,490 --> 01:04:25,750 haunted houses you could move out of a 1511 01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:28,500 house and move thousand miles away and 1512 01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:32,050 the phenomena will show itself well 1513 01:04:34,770 --> 01:04:33,370 there certainly seems to be evidence of 1514 01:04:36,900 --> 01:04:34,780 at least some sort of genetic or 1515 01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:36,910 inherited component I mean you had 1516 01:04:43,940 --> 01:04:39,970 families that were struck by consistent 1517 01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:43,950 changeling encounters similarly you have 1518 01:04:49,260 --> 01:04:47,650 you have people who have generations of 1519 01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:49,270 seers and become what we're known as 1520 01:04:52,260 --> 01:04:50,650 fairy man or fairy woman who would 1521 01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:52,270 actually interact with with the fairy 1522 01:04:57,080 --> 01:04:54,250 world as far as people picking up and 1523 01:04:58,890 --> 01:04:57,090 moving I can't say I've found that I 1524 01:05:00,000 --> 01:04:58,900 can't say I found that doesn't mean that 1525 01:05:01,700 --> 01:05:00,010 it's you know it doesn't mean that it's 1526 01:05:04,380 --> 01:05:01,710 not out there but I can't say that any 1527 01:05:07,740 --> 01:05:04,390 anything that I can remember has 1528 01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:07,750 released friend of mine like that so you 1529 01:05:12,510 --> 01:05:09,850 know do they eat I you know you talked 1530 01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:12,520 in the earlier but is it the same sort 1531 01:05:20,250 --> 01:05:16,090 of eating habits that the the aliens 1532 01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:20,260 would have well it's it's um a little 1533 01:05:23,340 --> 01:05:20,890 bit complex 1534 01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:23,350 generally speaking fairy food was 1535 01:05:30,270 --> 01:05:27,370 detritus sticks twigs leaves dirt 1536 01:05:32,070 --> 01:05:30,280 oh yeah worms yep cloaked yeah cloaked 1537 01:05:35,220 --> 01:05:32,080 with cloak with glamour so cloaked with 1538 01:05:39,510 --> 01:05:35,230 this sort of beguiling illusion to make 1539 01:05:41,190 --> 01:05:39,520 it appear appealing now if you look at 1540 01:05:43,890 --> 01:05:41,200 that was usually what they would offer 1541 01:05:49,590 --> 01:05:43,900 people if you look at what fairies 1542 01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:49,600 actually consumed it was it seems the 1543 01:05:53,510 --> 01:05:51,610 only real existing text that isn't sort 1544 01:05:55,830 --> 01:05:53,520 of you know fancy or a poem about that 1545 01:05:56,640 --> 01:05:55,840 comes from Robert Kirk's the secret 1546 01:05:58,110 --> 01:05:56,650 Commonwealth 1547 01:06:02,130 --> 01:05:58,120 which described a lot of these sort of 1548 01:06:05,790 --> 01:06:02,140 alleged fairy a lifestyle attributes and 1549 01:06:07,830 --> 01:06:05,800 Kirk alleged that the fairies were of a 1550 01:06:10,410 --> 01:06:07,840 consistency so light and spongy that 1551 01:06:13,110 --> 01:06:10,420 they actually absorbed new nutrition and 1552 01:06:15,870 --> 01:06:13,120 vitality through their skin now that 1553 01:06:18,420 --> 01:06:15,880 motif rears its head time and again and 1554 01:06:20,700 --> 01:06:18,430 the grey alien stories about you know 1555 01:06:23,070 --> 01:06:20,710 even get all the way back to the to the 1556 01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:23,080 sort of the krill document talking about 1557 01:06:26,820 --> 01:06:25,090 aliens basting themselves and cattle 1558 01:06:29,310 --> 01:06:26,830 emulation parts but also in you know 1559 01:06:32,220 --> 01:06:29,320 material the more respected source me 1560 01:06:34,500 --> 01:06:32,230 know several of John Max subjects 1561 01:06:36,390 --> 01:06:34,510 reported actually being presented their 1562 01:06:38,250 --> 01:06:36,400 hybrid babies and been given some sort 1563 01:06:40,710 --> 01:06:38,260 of pace to paint over the children's 1564 01:06:43,830 --> 01:06:40,720 bodies and that seemed to give them a 1565 01:06:46,170 --> 01:06:43,840 sort of nutrition in that sense so that 1566 01:06:49,290 --> 01:06:46,180 that motif definitely does express 1567 01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:49,300 itself both consistently an alien and 1568 01:06:54,930 --> 01:06:52,810 fairy lore that's for sure well now okay 1569 01:06:58,430 --> 01:06:54,940 so you also get into your book you talk 1570 01:07:01,740 --> 01:06:58,440 about some of the Native American that 1571 01:07:04,860 --> 01:07:01,750 traditions do you find this among other 1572 01:07:09,810 --> 01:07:04,870 cultures say in Scandinavian countries 1573 01:07:11,730 --> 01:07:09,820 or European countries I mean we think of 1574 01:07:14,010 --> 01:07:11,740 Ireland of course as fairies and 1575 01:07:16,530 --> 01:07:14,020 leprechauns and things but how 1576 01:07:18,900 --> 01:07:16,540 widespread is it and is there any any 1577 01:07:22,230 --> 01:07:18,910 place where it doesn't take place let's 1578 01:07:24,810 --> 01:07:22,240 say China or are the Soviet you what is 1579 01:07:28,080 --> 01:07:24,820 now the Soviet Union or whatever the the 1580 01:07:31,770 --> 01:07:28,090 ferry and the the ferry sort of concept 1581 01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:31,780 of short beings with love of abducting 1582 01:07:38,370 --> 01:07:33,370 children often living underneath the 1583 01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:38,380 earth is found on every continent I 1584 01:07:42,390 --> 01:07:39,850 think it's a pretty safe statement to 1585 01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:42,400 say in variations therein there's even a 1586 01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:46,090 tradition in amongst the Yoruba of of 1587 01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:49,810 Eastern Africa who have sort of a 1588 01:07:53,970 --> 01:07:51,370 changeling tradition explicitly 1589 01:07:56,130 --> 01:07:53,980 similarly Australian Aborigines believe 1590 01:07:59,220 --> 01:07:56,140 in the primary quit kataifi which is a 1591 01:08:00,870 --> 01:07:59,230 series which is a race of shadowy and 1592 01:08:02,550 --> 01:08:00,880 shadowy beings that can only be 1593 01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:02,560 perceived by children or out of the 1594 01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:05,290 corner of your eye or dogs that in some 1595 01:08:08,700 --> 01:08:06,850 cases actually abduct children because 1596 01:08:09,849 --> 01:08:08,710 they have no womb to have their own 1597 01:08:13,390 --> 01:08:09,859 children 1598 01:08:15,579 --> 01:08:13,400 there's a strong tradition in Japan for 1599 01:08:17,289 --> 01:08:15,589 example of these beings called the Tengu 1600 01:08:20,289 --> 01:08:17,299 who tend to be sort of these avian 1601 01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:20,299 shape-shifting creatures that like to 1602 01:08:23,589 --> 01:08:22,130 abduct children and will often feed them 1603 01:08:25,209 --> 01:08:23,599 things and when the children are 1604 01:08:27,970 --> 01:08:25,219 returned the children will vomit up 1605 01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:27,980 leaves twigs and sticks and and worms 1606 01:08:33,849 --> 01:08:30,730 and dirt just as in the just as in the 1607 01:08:38,280 --> 01:08:33,859 fairy stories of the Djinn of the Middle 1608 01:08:40,839 --> 01:08:38,290 East are a direct I mean explicit 1609 01:08:42,220 --> 01:08:40,849 rescanning of the fairy motif to the 1610 01:08:45,010 --> 01:08:42,230 point that fairy scholars have actually 1611 01:08:46,599 --> 01:08:45,020 assumed that perhaps that might be the 1612 01:08:48,010 --> 01:08:46,609 origin of some of these beliefs that 1613 01:08:50,609 --> 01:08:48,020 they sort of migrated out of the Middle 1614 01:08:53,709 --> 01:08:50,619 East and into the into the British Isles 1615 01:08:55,059 --> 01:08:53,719 I mean it's just it's always a 1:1 1616 01:08:58,209 --> 01:08:55,069 correlation they're changeling stories 1617 01:09:00,519 --> 01:08:58,219 that you can find from Egypt that read 1618 01:09:03,609 --> 01:09:00,529 just like a changeling story from you 1619 01:09:04,870 --> 01:09:03,619 know County Cork okay and and and even 1620 01:09:07,030 --> 01:09:04,880 in the Native American beliefs I should 1621 01:09:08,579 --> 01:09:07,040 have said that too even in a Native 1622 01:09:11,709 --> 01:09:08,589 American belief I mean you you have the 1623 01:09:14,349 --> 01:09:11,719 book wedgies of the northeastern United 1624 01:09:16,359 --> 01:09:14,359 States you have the nona he of the 1625 01:09:18,510 --> 01:09:16,369 Cherokee Nation 1626 01:09:21,249 --> 01:09:18,520 and you know all of them seem to be 1627 01:09:22,990 --> 01:09:21,259 capricious you can either be they can 1628 01:09:25,149 --> 01:09:23,000 either be forces for good or evil or 1629 01:09:26,979 --> 01:09:25,159 just mischievous and a lot of them seem 1630 01:09:28,180 --> 01:09:26,989 to have love taking children and bear 1631 01:09:30,189 --> 01:09:28,190 even some you know sort of stories that 1632 01:09:33,280 --> 01:09:30,199 really have those changing motifs in 1633 01:09:35,700 --> 01:09:33,290 themselves as well that's interesting 1634 01:09:38,769 --> 01:09:35,710 though that you would talk about 1635 01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:38,779 returning children vomiting up all kinds 1636 01:09:43,979 --> 01:09:41,690 of in animal debris because that is you 1637 01:09:46,660 --> 01:09:43,989 see that in a lot of a poltergeist 1638 01:09:48,249 --> 01:09:46,670 experiences where especially like the 1639 01:09:51,700 --> 01:09:48,259 children who being tormented will vomit 1640 01:09:54,490 --> 01:09:51,710 up you know especially needles and just 1641 01:09:57,910 --> 01:09:54,500 horrible things like that Manik 1642 01:09:59,890 --> 01:09:57,920 possession yes you know I that's such an 1643 01:10:01,720 --> 01:09:59,900 obvious thing and I'd never I never 1644 01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:01,730 thought about putting that together you 1645 01:10:05,260 --> 01:10:04,130 know that's IIIi found a couple of 1646 01:10:06,609 --> 01:10:05,270 different cases from around the world 1647 01:10:09,160 --> 01:10:06,619 there's a similar some similar cases 1648 01:10:11,140 --> 01:10:09,170 there was a scare in the 1980s in 1649 01:10:14,020 --> 01:10:11,150 Indonesia where these supposedly these 1650 01:10:15,430 --> 01:10:14,030 into entities called the boonie on would 1651 01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:15,440 end up people and some of those 1652 01:10:20,770 --> 01:10:18,170 abductees could return and abduct 1653 01:10:22,930 --> 01:10:20,780 vomited up some you know basically this 1654 01:10:24,340 --> 01:10:22,940 detritus as well but I 1655 01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:24,350 never put that together about about 1656 01:10:27,939 --> 01:10:26,570 possession and poltergeist activity I 1657 01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:27,949 should that's completely obvious I don't 1658 01:10:34,330 --> 01:10:32,210 know why tins that's amazing well you 1659 01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:34,340 can put that in in the the updated 1660 01:10:40,689 --> 01:10:38,410 version all right well we need to 1661 01:10:43,209 --> 01:10:40,699 interrupt this conversation because we 1662 01:10:44,830 --> 01:10:43,219 have our bottom of the break bottom of 1663 01:10:46,479 --> 01:10:44,840 the hour break that we need to go to so 1664 01:10:49,740 --> 01:10:46,489 when we come back we will continue our 1665 01:10:52,209 --> 01:10:49,750 conversation with Joshua Hutchins and 1666 01:11:06,160 --> 01:10:52,219 Susan Demeter st. Claire on exploring 1667 01:11:08,709 --> 01:11:06,170 the bizarre now back to exploring the 1668 01:11:11,080 --> 01:11:08,719 bazaars with two of the most 1669 01:11:14,860 --> 01:11:11,090 electrifying researchers in the Paranoid 1670 01:11:18,180 --> 01:11:14,870 your hosts Timothy beckylyn and Tim 1671 01:11:23,740 --> 01:11:21,580 and welcome back to the final segment of 1672 01:11:28,180 --> 01:11:23,750 exploring the bizarre the story seems to 1673 01:11:31,299 --> 01:11:28,190 him that this this time comes much too 1674 01:11:34,089 --> 01:11:31,309 quickly and do such a fascinating 1675 01:11:39,759 --> 01:11:34,099 conversation with Josh McCutcheon and 1676 01:11:43,209 --> 01:11:39,769 Susan Demeter st. Clare and earlier we 1677 01:11:48,729 --> 01:11:43,219 were talking about if if anybody had 1678 01:11:53,740 --> 01:11:48,739 known of any modern cases of kids being 1679 01:11:55,479 --> 01:11:53,750 kidnapped by the little people and it 1680 01:11:57,790 --> 01:11:55,489 brought to mind I don't know if either 1681 01:12:01,060 --> 01:11:57,800 of you are familiar with this case it 1682 01:12:04,629 --> 01:12:01,070 happened in the early 1950s in Manila of 1683 01:12:11,620 --> 01:12:04,639 a thirteen-year-old boy by the name of 1684 01:12:13,419 --> 01:12:11,630 cornelio Klose who said that one day 1685 01:12:17,500 --> 01:12:13,429 when he was walking home from school he 1686 01:12:19,540 --> 01:12:17,510 was approached by this he described her 1687 01:12:22,779 --> 01:12:19,550 as a beautiful young girl that was 1688 01:12:24,790 --> 01:12:22,789 shorter than him she had a long blonde 1689 01:12:27,220 --> 01:12:24,800 hair that went down to her waist and was 1690 01:12:30,609 --> 01:12:27,230 wearing a flowing white dress she I 1691 01:12:36,399 --> 01:12:30,619 guess floated up to him and then touched 1692 01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:36,409 him and he became he said that the both 1693 01:12:42,069 --> 01:12:39,170 of them became transparent and then the 1694 01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:42,079 two of them could go and teleport to 1695 01:12:49,359 --> 01:12:46,210 various locations and she would 1696 01:12:50,950 --> 01:12:49,369 repeatedly come back to visit him every 1697 01:12:52,870 --> 01:12:50,960 time that she would touch him that he 1698 01:12:55,810 --> 01:12:52,880 would disappear and they would teleport 1699 01:12:58,229 --> 01:12:55,820 to various places he would vanish from 1700 01:13:03,520 --> 01:12:58,239 his school room right in front of his 1701 01:13:07,770 --> 01:13:03,530 class and this continued on for quite a 1702 01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:07,780 while until he finally they brought in 1703 01:13:13,540 --> 01:13:11,570 an American missionary and I can't 1704 01:13:16,839 --> 01:13:13,550 remember right now who that was 1705 01:13:20,649 --> 01:13:16,849 Oh a Lester Sumrall who performed an 1706 01:13:25,540 --> 01:13:20,659 exorcism on him and the the girl 1707 01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:25,550 disappeared but this this case is to me 1708 01:13:31,419 --> 01:13:28,570 I mean it it really it smacked so 1709 01:13:35,290 --> 01:13:31,429 similar to a lot of the cases 1710 01:13:36,699 --> 01:13:35,300 we've talked about tonight it has it 1711 01:13:39,429 --> 01:13:36,709 does are you through are you familiar 1712 01:13:42,609 --> 01:13:39,439 with this case no this is the first time 1713 01:13:46,959 --> 01:13:42,619 I'm hearing a bit anybody go sounds much 1714 01:13:48,339 --> 01:13:46,969 like you know we're discussing some of 1715 01:13:50,140 --> 01:13:48,349 someone that sounds familiar but yeah 1716 01:13:50,830 --> 01:13:50,150 this is the first time I've been aware 1717 01:13:56,020 --> 01:13:50,840 of it as well 1718 01:13:59,620 --> 01:13:56,030 yeah 1951 in Manoa is is where it took 1719 01:14:03,640 --> 01:13:59,630 place and nobody else could see this 1720 01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:03,650 girl except except the boy and she would 1721 01:14:08,410 --> 01:14:06,530 just appear out of nowhere and he always 1722 01:14:10,839 --> 01:14:08,420 said that she would she would be 1723 01:14:13,959 --> 01:14:10,849 floating you know like above the floor 1724 01:14:18,089 --> 01:14:13,969 but he always described her as being 1725 01:14:21,489 --> 01:14:18,099 very beautiful long blonde hair like a 1726 01:14:25,529 --> 01:14:21,499 kind of a glowing white dress and she 1727 01:14:27,790 --> 01:14:25,539 could take him instantaneously 1728 01:14:31,379 --> 01:14:27,800 everywhere anywhere anywhere in the 1729 01:14:34,359 --> 01:14:31,389 world and for for quite a while you know 1730 01:14:37,299 --> 01:14:34,369 they had trouble keeping him they'd lock 1731 01:14:38,919 --> 01:14:37,309 him in his room and he managed he would 1732 01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:38,929 always manage to disappear out of his 1733 01:14:43,419 --> 01:14:40,610 room and then reappear you know other 1734 01:14:48,219 --> 01:14:43,429 places later so I mean just just really 1735 01:14:50,589 --> 01:14:48,229 a fascinating case and of course you 1736 01:14:52,419 --> 01:14:50,599 know like the evangelicals they always 1737 01:14:54,370 --> 01:14:52,429 describe it as you know like a demon 1738 01:14:57,609 --> 01:14:54,380 possession or anything like everything 1739 01:15:01,319 --> 01:14:57,619 like that but but again I mean you know 1740 01:15:04,509 --> 01:15:01,329 you have to look at it in different 1741 01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:04,519 cultural viewpoints what's one person's 1742 01:15:14,830 --> 01:15:11,170 demons another person's very alien or I 1743 01:15:16,689 --> 01:15:14,840 mean she could the story itself she 1744 01:15:18,879 --> 01:15:16,699 could this is an apparition that could 1745 01:15:21,160 --> 01:15:18,889 fit all sorts of different descriptions 1746 01:15:23,500 --> 01:15:21,170 depending upon you know a person's 1747 01:15:25,060 --> 01:15:23,510 belief system she could be anything she 1748 01:15:28,479 --> 01:15:25,070 could be an alien she could be an angel 1749 01:15:29,859 --> 01:15:28,489 she could be a fairy you know I find it 1750 01:15:31,419 --> 01:15:29,869 interesting that they did they had to do 1751 01:15:33,009 --> 01:15:31,429 the exorcism because again we were 1752 01:15:35,020 --> 01:15:33,019 talking about possession earlier and 1753 01:15:38,830 --> 01:15:35,030 possession being perhaps part of it as 1754 01:15:40,239 --> 01:15:38,840 well so yeah that's that's a fascinating 1755 01:15:44,919 --> 01:15:40,249 case thank you for bringing that up 1756 01:15:49,929 --> 01:15:44,929 because that's new for me you know 1757 01:15:57,279 --> 01:15:49,939 I think I mean I have a sinking 1758 01:16:03,429 --> 01:15:57,289 suspicion that all of this is is is 1759 01:16:04,989 --> 01:16:03,439 indeed related and that it's it's still 1760 01:16:06,370 --> 01:16:04,999 it's still really nice germinal stages 1761 01:16:08,229 --> 01:16:06,380 but part of me wonders if everything's 1762 01:16:09,759 --> 01:16:08,239 just not one giant ghost story which 1763 01:16:12,549 --> 01:16:09,769 would be the great irony right because 1764 01:16:14,319 --> 01:16:12,559 yeah it'll be the great irony because 1765 01:16:17,199 --> 01:16:14,329 like I think anybody who I think most 1766 01:16:19,239 --> 01:16:17,209 people who get involved in like a lot of 1767 01:16:20,979 --> 01:16:19,249 cases of high strangeness and stuff get 1768 01:16:22,689 --> 01:16:20,989 get they could overdose stories really 1769 01:16:24,939 --> 01:16:22,699 quickly because they're only like 30 1770 01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:24,949 right that get remixed and retold every 1771 01:16:29,169 --> 01:16:26,570 time oh there's a lady in white here 1772 01:16:31,209 --> 01:16:29,179 boring you know oh you know you you uh 1773 01:16:34,839 --> 01:16:31,219 smelled your grandmother's perfume yeah 1774 01:16:36,459 --> 01:16:34,849 I heard it but you know part of me 1775 01:16:38,500 --> 01:16:36,469 wonders with all these connections to 1776 01:16:41,890 --> 01:16:38,510 the afterlife and to death and to the 1777 01:16:43,689 --> 01:16:41,900 dead you know I mean it's sort of a 1778 01:16:45,429 --> 01:16:43,699 cheeky thing that some people suggest 1779 01:16:47,830 --> 01:16:45,439 but like one of the Loch Ness monster is 1780 01:16:49,540 --> 01:16:47,840 the close of a Plesiosaurus Bigfoot's 1781 01:16:52,959 --> 01:16:49,550 the ghost of oh you know goes to the 1782 01:16:55,330 --> 01:16:52,969 cave man but I mean what if now of 1783 01:16:58,000 --> 01:16:55,340 course that no I mean it violates this 1784 01:16:59,770 --> 01:16:58,010 sort of I haven't T's Andersen code of 1785 01:17:02,529 --> 01:16:59,780 not explaining one unknown with another 1786 01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:02,539 but if all unknowns are a single unknown 1787 01:17:08,290 --> 01:17:04,610 then I think that might be a exception 1788 01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:08,300 to the rule that is it might be the same 1789 01:17:11,919 --> 01:17:10,489 I think that that's like the stories and 1790 01:17:14,319 --> 01:17:11,929 the narratives are different and 1791 01:17:16,689 --> 01:17:14,329 throughout time and we did discuss this 1792 01:17:18,339 --> 01:17:16,699 before but I think that there's 1793 01:17:20,290 --> 01:17:18,349 something to the mechanism being the 1794 01:17:24,189 --> 01:17:20,300 same it's the idea to that I'm now sort 1795 01:17:27,580 --> 01:17:24,199 of exploring through our friend through 1796 01:17:29,500 --> 01:17:27,590 Greg Bishop Charles taught him who he 1797 01:17:32,919 --> 01:17:29,510 had done a show with and they discussed 1798 01:17:35,080 --> 01:17:32,929 upwards got a chance to listen to that 1799 01:17:37,029 --> 01:17:35,090 yet but I mean you start thinking well 1800 01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:37,039 these are ports these are ghostly little 1801 01:17:41,410 --> 01:17:39,050 deep these are physical objects that 1802 01:17:44,259 --> 01:17:41,420 seem to be transported through space and 1803 01:17:46,870 --> 01:17:44,269 time through ghostly means but perhaps 1804 01:17:48,910 --> 01:17:46,880 also the UFOs are perhaps it's the same 1805 01:17:51,759 --> 01:17:48,920 mechanism only the UFOs are much larger 1806 01:17:54,189 --> 01:17:51,769 and you're reviewing them in the sky as 1807 01:17:56,319 --> 01:17:54,199 opposed to these little tiny coins or 1808 01:17:58,630 --> 01:17:56,329 other sort of things that that seem to 1809 01:18:02,230 --> 01:17:58,640 materialize and dematerialize in 1810 01:18:05,320 --> 01:18:02,240 ghost cases or in seances is it one and 1811 01:18:09,970 --> 01:18:05,330 perhaps the same mechanism if not the 1812 01:18:13,120 --> 01:18:09,980 same thing right I don't know but that's 1813 01:18:14,530 --> 01:18:13,130 part of the fun of all this that was a 1814 01:18:18,220 --> 01:18:14,540 great interview and then that sort of 1815 01:18:20,620 --> 01:18:18,230 line of thinking of Susan really reminds 1816 01:18:25,300 --> 01:18:20,630 me of the heavy I'm sure you read de 1817 01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:25,310 verte wallet David well that's work does 1818 01:18:33,750 --> 01:18:27,890 this name ring a bell at all well that 1819 01:18:36,280 --> 01:18:33,760 you know yes I worked on that but the 1820 01:18:38,770 --> 01:18:36,290 because that was also the anomalous 1821 01:18:43,510 --> 01:18:38,780 Press ID I actually edited that book and 1822 01:18:46,180 --> 01:18:43,520 I did a lot on research Ericson I didn't 1823 01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:46,190 put that together that's awesome yeah I 1824 01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:49,010 think I think that's an idea that that 1825 01:18:51,910 --> 01:18:50,690 doesn't get talked about enough for 1826 01:18:53,530 --> 01:18:51,920 people who don't know but maybe you 1827 01:18:56,070 --> 01:18:53,540 liked I mean you're much better 1828 01:18:59,620 --> 01:18:56,080 qualified to speak to her than I am so 1829 01:19:03,250 --> 01:18:59,630 yes it's called illuminations and Eric 1830 01:19:06,550 --> 01:19:03,260 is as a UFO experience or himself he 1831 01:19:09,580 --> 01:19:06,560 works for the he was the defense studies 1832 01:19:14,380 --> 01:19:09,590 department head here at Toronto in our 1833 01:19:17,290 --> 01:19:14,390 College Canadian Forces College so he is 1834 01:19:19,990 --> 01:19:17,300 in the defense studies and but he's 1835 01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:20,000 coming from a background of sociology so 1836 01:19:24,100 --> 01:19:21,890 he's really looking at sort of this like 1837 01:19:26,620 --> 01:19:24,110 a social aspect of it and and the 1838 01:19:29,710 --> 01:19:26,630 political social scene when these sort 1839 01:19:32,140 --> 01:19:29,720 of UFOs are seen and he in particular he 1840 01:19:34,480 --> 01:19:32,150 looks at things like the the wave the 1841 01:19:38,140 --> 01:19:34,490 Belgian wave and the the concurrent 1842 01:19:40,660 --> 01:19:38,150 Russian wave of 1990 in 1989 and how 1843 01:19:42,130 --> 01:19:40,670 these UFOs like if you look at what was 1844 01:19:44,410 --> 01:19:42,140 happening on the ground and with people 1845 01:19:46,780 --> 01:19:44,420 and the fall of the Berlin Wall the 1846 01:19:48,970 --> 01:19:46,790 collapse of the Soviet Union and at the 1847 01:19:53,020 --> 01:19:48,980 same time you have UFOs over NATO 1848 01:19:55,540 --> 01:19:53,030 headquarters so he kind of posits the 1849 01:19:57,910 --> 01:19:55,550 idea that perhaps this was almost a cry 1850 01:20:00,340 --> 01:19:57,920 of help from the experience themselves 1851 01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:00,350 that all of a sudden you have these UFOs 1852 01:20:06,820 --> 01:20:03,530 that are appearing in this in this air 1853 01:20:09,100 --> 01:20:06,830 space at that time and it was it was 1854 01:20:11,050 --> 01:20:09,110 very well like people don't realize that 1855 01:20:12,430 --> 01:20:11,060 some some skeptics will say oh well you 1856 01:20:14,500 --> 01:20:12,440 know they were seeing like the 1857 01:20:16,240 --> 01:20:14,510 the stealth bombers or the triangles or 1858 01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:16,250 whatever they don't realize the wealth 1859 01:20:20,110 --> 01:20:17,210 of information 1860 01:20:23,350 --> 01:20:20,120 the diversity of the types of UFOs that 1861 01:20:25,689 --> 01:20:23,360 were seen throughout that era in all of 1862 01:20:28,150 --> 01:20:25,699 Europe and in Russia and including 1863 01:20:30,729 --> 01:20:28,160 humanoids and pilots and these were very 1864 01:20:33,400 --> 01:20:30,739 very well investigated and documented by 1865 01:20:35,590 --> 01:20:33,410 a military this is one of the few cases 1866 01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:35,600 where you have military police and 1867 01:20:41,080 --> 01:20:38,570 civilians all cooperating UF ologists as 1868 01:20:43,570 --> 01:20:41,090 well so it's very very well documented 1869 01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:43,580 but you would have to sort of be very 1870 01:20:47,470 --> 01:20:45,530 blindsided not to look at what was 1871 01:20:50,830 --> 01:20:47,480 happening in these countries at the time 1872 01:20:53,320 --> 01:20:50,840 when these UFO waves occurred it was the 1873 01:20:56,380 --> 01:20:53,330 same like with the the Swedish rockets 1874 01:20:58,780 --> 01:20:56,390 that were being seen just prior to the 1875 01:21:02,080 --> 01:20:58,790 rockets actually being invented and 1876 01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:02,090 launched and other UFO waves like that I 1877 01:21:06,340 --> 01:21:04,730 think the 1952 Washington wave at the 1878 01:21:08,729 --> 01:21:06,350 same time years you're looking at 1879 01:21:11,140 --> 01:21:08,739 McCarthyism and things like that so 1880 01:21:14,140 --> 01:21:11,150 Eric's book illuminations through 1881 01:21:16,870 --> 01:21:14,150 anomalous Press is just it's a different 1882 01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:16,880 like he's not trying to say that he this 1883 01:21:20,920 --> 01:21:19,010 is what is the absolute truth of what 1884 01:21:23,110 --> 01:21:20,930 UFOs are but he's saying this is just a 1885 01:21:26,830 --> 01:21:23,120 different way to kind of look at UFOs 1886 01:21:29,170 --> 01:21:26,840 look at this some symbolism look at you 1887 01:21:31,180 --> 01:21:29,180 know the types of UFOs and and what was 1888 01:21:34,330 --> 01:21:31,190 going on with the witnesses being more 1889 01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:34,340 witness centric than like just the UFOs 1890 01:21:39,640 --> 01:21:38,330 as objects or whatever they are and when 1891 01:21:41,530 --> 01:21:39,650 you look at that when you look at what 1892 01:21:43,540 --> 01:21:41,540 was going on around at that time you 1893 01:21:45,700 --> 01:21:43,550 starts you start posing more questions 1894 01:21:48,550 --> 01:21:45,710 the more things sort of start 1895 01:21:50,350 --> 01:21:48,560 percolating and perhaps we can we can at 1896 01:21:53,950 --> 01:21:50,360 least have better questions out of out 1897 01:21:55,540 --> 01:21:53,960 of this than just you know just either 1898 01:21:57,760 --> 01:21:55,550 dismissing it all or just saying it's 1899 01:21:59,320 --> 01:21:57,770 all just et right because it because it 1900 01:22:02,920 --> 01:21:59,330 looks like a spaceship therefore it must 1901 01:22:05,050 --> 01:22:02,930 be you know so I I definitely recommend 1902 01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:05,060 the book so it's Eric Willett and the 1903 01:22:09,790 --> 01:22:07,850 book is called illuminations it's it's a 1904 01:22:14,370 --> 01:22:09,800 it's a great work and you know for the 1905 01:22:26,110 --> 01:22:22,090 some of them I guess yeah a Patrick 1906 01:22:27,880 --> 01:22:26,120 Weezer Vernon almost is uh he's uh is 1907 01:22:30,190 --> 01:22:27,890 he's one of the old guard and I mean and 1908 01:22:32,440 --> 01:22:30,200 the best most positive way possible he's 1909 01:22:34,210 --> 01:22:32,450 uh he's a man of principle and make some 1910 01:22:37,810 --> 01:22:34,220 really good selections myself not 1911 01:22:40,480 --> 01:22:37,820 included you know people loved to 1912 01:22:43,180 --> 01:22:40,490 publish so well I'm really excited about 1913 01:22:46,240 --> 01:22:43,190 Tim's new book because I mean this sex 1914 01:22:49,450 --> 01:22:46,250 with the aliens like I know right yeah I 1915 01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:49,460 mean I'm looking forward to that because 1916 01:22:53,940 --> 01:22:51,530 that's something that all of these 1917 01:22:56,350 --> 01:22:53,950 things again whether it's demonic or 1918 01:22:58,660 --> 01:22:56,360 fairies or aliens or whatever they 1919 01:23:01,810 --> 01:22:58,670 really seem to have this super strong 1920 01:23:03,280 --> 01:23:01,820 interest in human sexuality so I'm 1921 01:23:04,900 --> 01:23:03,290 really looking forward to that and 1922 01:23:07,270 --> 01:23:04,910 there's some great essays in there my 1923 01:23:10,360 --> 01:23:07,280 friend Scott Corrales and I'm really 1924 01:23:14,230 --> 01:23:10,370 looking forward to it all right well 1925 01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:14,240 we've got a question from Stanley from 1926 01:23:21,360 --> 01:23:17,570 Utah and Stanley wants to know is there 1927 01:23:24,940 --> 01:23:21,370 one case when it comes to fairies that 1928 01:23:26,980 --> 01:23:24,950 your two guests can agree on that has 1929 01:23:31,440 --> 01:23:26,990 them thinking there is enough proof to 1930 01:23:33,630 --> 01:23:31,450 say that they are real absolutely 1931 01:23:38,440 --> 01:23:33,640 absolutely 1932 01:23:41,590 --> 01:23:38,450 yeah I mean materialistic sort of well I 1933 01:23:44,140 --> 01:23:41,600 suppose this proof that that would be 1934 01:23:47,380 --> 01:23:44,150 enough to convince either of you yeah 1935 01:23:49,360 --> 01:23:47,390 Isis Isis like that that that that Susan 1936 01:23:52,450 --> 01:23:49,370 and I are are above the shared mindset 1937 01:23:55,240 --> 01:23:52,460 that a lot of these things are imaginal 1938 01:23:57,580 --> 01:23:55,250 not an imaginary but but imaginal and I 1939 01:23:59,980 --> 01:23:57,590 don't know I mean I could we could point 1940 01:24:01,600 --> 01:23:59,990 to silly things like fairy artifacts of 1941 01:24:05,260 --> 01:24:01,610 all sorts have been found having little 1942 01:24:07,150 --> 01:24:05,270 leather Jerkins or or goblets or shoes 1943 01:24:10,180 --> 01:24:07,160 and made out of mouse leather which I 1944 01:24:13,240 --> 01:24:10,190 mean are kind of kind of compelling but 1945 01:24:16,150 --> 01:24:13,250 I mean as far as I think looking at them 1946 01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:16,160 as an objective truth is a little bit 1947 01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:19,610 there's a little bit troublesome I would 1948 01:24:23,170 --> 01:24:21,530 say that if there is any sort of case 1949 01:24:26,080 --> 01:24:23,180 out there that it provides some degree 1950 01:24:28,570 --> 01:24:26,090 of proof it's going to be some sort of 1951 01:24:30,670 --> 01:24:28,580 effect left upon the witness but even 1952 01:24:32,290 --> 01:24:30,680 then I mean I I'd be hard-pressed to say 1953 01:24:35,950 --> 01:24:32,300 that aside a single case what about you 1954 01:24:39,680 --> 01:24:35,960 Susan um I would absolutely be and I I 1955 01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:39,690 am I asked from the point of view of 1956 01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:41,610 absolute physical proof when there has 1957 01:24:46,490 --> 01:24:44,010 been some sort of physical sort of trace 1958 01:24:49,130 --> 01:24:46,500 to sort of a fairy encounter it always 1959 01:24:51,680 --> 01:24:49,140 tends to be something mundane and this 1960 01:24:53,780 --> 01:24:51,690 seems to be the case right now with UFOs 1961 01:24:56,180 --> 01:24:53,790 as well as there are physical traces 1962 01:24:58,130 --> 01:24:56,190 they're dead does have a physical effect 1963 01:25:01,520 --> 01:24:58,140 on the environment therefore it should 1964 01:25:03,680 --> 01:25:01,530 be measurable but these things tend to 1965 01:25:05,990 --> 01:25:03,690 sort of have some sort of mundane 1966 01:25:08,950 --> 01:25:06,000 explanation at the end of the day I 1967 01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:08,960 don't know I like the way you sort of 1968 01:25:15,620 --> 01:25:12,810 explore with Gordon white in the book 1969 01:25:18,050 --> 01:25:15,630 Josh about the idea of enchanting us or 1970 01:25:20,180 --> 01:25:18,060 enchanting the world and perhaps that's 1971 01:25:22,100 --> 01:25:20,190 the ultimate goal or purpose at the end 1972 01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:22,110 of all these things is is their 1973 01:25:29,570 --> 01:25:25,770 enchanting so it is are they objectively 1974 01:25:31,580 --> 01:25:29,580 real I would say there's enough for me 1975 01:25:33,500 --> 01:25:31,590 to say they're real but I don't think 1976 01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:33,510 that that would be enough for the world 1977 01:25:39,680 --> 01:25:35,730 to see feel or something there's 1978 01:25:42,470 --> 01:25:39,690 something I mean it is subjective it is 1979 01:25:45,710 --> 01:25:42,480 not just imagination because there is 1980 01:25:48,860 --> 01:25:45,720 there is some physical sort of change in 1981 01:25:52,640 --> 01:25:48,870 the environment but it is still not 1982 01:25:56,890 --> 01:25:52,650 truly physical it's either physical but 1983 01:25:59,120 --> 01:25:56,900 it's not I mean part of me is not real 1984 01:26:04,550 --> 01:25:59,130 yeah I think it's really well put and 1985 01:26:06,620 --> 01:26:04,560 part of me suspects that if there is if 1986 01:26:08,660 --> 01:26:06,630 if if what we're looking at really does 1987 01:26:10,850 --> 01:26:08,670 recontextualize itself into the UFO era 1988 01:26:15,610 --> 01:26:10,860 I mean perhaps that the reason why there 1989 01:26:18,290 --> 01:26:15,620 is really so little evidential 1990 01:26:20,090 --> 01:26:18,300 evidential evidence there so very little 1991 01:26:22,100 --> 01:26:20,100 evidence of you know from from 1992 01:26:23,950 --> 01:26:22,110 yesteryear of the fairies quote-unquote 1993 01:26:27,020 --> 01:26:23,960 but as we progress into a more 1994 01:26:29,750 --> 01:26:27,030 physicalist paradigm you find better a 1995 01:26:32,630 --> 01:26:29,760 better better evidence in terms of 1996 01:26:35,150 --> 01:26:32,640 physical evidence in in the UFO era you 1997 01:26:37,130 --> 01:26:35,160 know at the same time you know I mean if 1998 01:26:39,560 --> 01:26:37,140 you if you really wanted to say you know 1999 01:26:42,560 --> 01:26:39,570 evidence of fairies I mean there are 2000 01:26:44,120 --> 01:26:42,570 plenty of stories of people who suffered 2001 01:26:47,150 --> 01:26:44,130 physical effects you know I mentioned 2002 01:26:48,560 --> 01:26:47,160 the the fairy blast situation from 2003 01:26:50,510 --> 01:26:48,570 earlier that's something people who 2004 01:26:51,710 --> 01:26:50,520 claim to have been blinded by fairies 2005 01:26:53,990 --> 01:26:51,720 people who 2006 01:26:55,790 --> 01:26:54,000 who claimed to have lost a limb from the 2007 01:26:58,100 --> 01:26:55,800 fairies and all sorts of stuff like that 2008 01:26:59,680 --> 01:26:58,110 which seems to vaguely correspond and 2009 01:27:02,270 --> 01:26:59,690 map on to what I think is the most 2010 01:27:04,760 --> 01:27:02,280 incontrovertible true proof of sort of 2011 01:27:06,950 --> 01:27:04,770 the the UFO experiences some of these 2012 01:27:09,020 --> 01:27:06,960 contact experiences I think that's very 2013 01:27:13,100 --> 01:27:09,030 similar I mean I think of something like 2014 01:27:14,390 --> 01:27:13,110 you know not saying cash Landrum was an 2015 01:27:16,550 --> 01:27:14,400 extraterrestrial craft 2016 01:27:18,020 --> 01:27:16,560 but or something that wasn't I'm not 2017 01:27:19,670 --> 01:27:18,030 saying that crash lit the cash Lantern 2018 01:27:21,620 --> 01:27:19,680 case wasn't a government craft I guess 2019 01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:21,630 it's probably the best way to put it but 2020 01:27:25,100 --> 01:27:23,610 they had physical effects and you find 2021 01:27:26,870 --> 01:27:25,110 that that sort of thing time and again 2022 01:27:28,550 --> 01:27:26,880 so I think it says more about the 2023 01:27:30,650 --> 01:27:28,560 documentation of the era when people 2024 01:27:33,470 --> 01:27:30,660 believed in fairies than it does 2025 01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:33,480 necessarily about the the objective sort 2026 01:27:39,950 --> 01:27:38,010 of evidence that that is is at hand well 2027 01:27:42,770 --> 01:27:39,960 what I find incredibly compelling is 2028 01:27:46,310 --> 01:27:42,780 that you had Walter Evans whence Walter 2029 01:27:48,710 --> 01:27:46,320 Yuling Evans winds going around from 2030 01:27:51,170 --> 01:27:48,720 Ireland to Scotland to England to 2031 01:27:52,820 --> 01:27:51,180 Brittany in 1911 and there were people 2032 01:27:54,410 --> 01:27:52,830 that he would talk to who claimed to 2033 01:27:57,080 --> 01:27:54,420 have encountered changelings who claimed 2034 01:27:59,690 --> 01:27:57,090 to have seen fairies in their lives you 2035 01:28:02,060 --> 01:27:59,700 know I find it I find I find that just 2036 01:28:03,350 --> 01:28:02,070 as compelling as anything else so I mean 2037 01:28:05,330 --> 01:28:03,360 there's but there you know it's true 2038 01:28:08,420 --> 01:28:05,340 there's not there's not a cache landrum 2039 01:28:10,100 --> 01:28:08,430 of fairy lore I mean there because a lot 2040 01:28:13,580 --> 01:28:10,110 of these things it exists of this 2041 01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:13,590 peculiar intersection of folklore and 2042 01:28:20,300 --> 01:28:17,010 storytelling and an anecdote and it the 2043 01:28:22,130 --> 01:28:20,310 those crossroads get pretty get pretty 2044 01:28:24,860 --> 01:28:22,140 foggy when you really start to 2045 01:28:26,900 --> 01:28:24,870 scrutinize them now a lot of this 2046 01:28:31,480 --> 01:28:26,910 phenomena that we've been talking about 2047 01:28:35,300 --> 01:28:31,490 this evening really does seem to resist 2048 01:28:40,070 --> 01:28:35,310 leaving behind any kind of physical 2049 01:28:43,130 --> 01:28:40,080 evidence you look at say like a lot of 2050 01:28:46,970 --> 01:28:43,140 these anecdotal tales of the fairies you 2051 01:28:48,830 --> 01:28:46,980 know somebody who is able to go into the 2052 01:28:51,440 --> 01:28:48,840 fairy Kingdom and bring back a fairy 2053 01:28:53,480 --> 01:28:51,450 gold only to find that in their satchel 2054 01:28:56,000 --> 01:28:53,490 instead of gold it's just you know twigs 2055 01:29:00,230 --> 01:28:56,010 and dirt and and things like that 2056 01:29:03,200 --> 01:29:00,240 and as Susan pointed out a lot of this 2057 01:29:05,060 --> 01:29:03,210 UFO evidence ends up being like that but 2058 01:29:05,630 --> 01:29:05,070 you know people who you know they'll see 2059 01:29:08,090 --> 01:29:05,640 the 2060 01:29:09,710 --> 01:29:08,100 find metal that supposedly you know came 2061 01:29:11,330 --> 01:29:09,720 out of a crashed saucer or things like 2062 01:29:13,220 --> 01:29:11,340 that it turns out just to be common 2063 01:29:15,130 --> 01:29:13,230 aluminum or magnesium or something like 2064 01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:15,140 that 2065 01:29:23,150 --> 01:29:19,770 exactly yeah I mean and really I think 2066 01:29:24,650 --> 01:29:23,160 that's I think if there's something that 2067 01:29:26,150 --> 01:29:24,660 a lot of these phenomena are pushing us 2068 01:29:28,280 --> 01:29:26,160 towards it's this idea of you know a 2069 01:29:31,100 --> 01:29:28,290 personal truth which I know there are 2070 01:29:32,390 --> 01:29:31,110 plenty if it's skeptic cup someone with 2071 01:29:33,500 --> 01:29:32,400 the materialist bib comes along and 2072 01:29:34,790 --> 01:29:33,510 Lissa's of this or probably pulling 2073 01:29:38,480 --> 01:29:34,800 their hair out at this point but I mean 2074 01:29:40,940 --> 01:29:38,490 you know if if you want truth you know 2075 01:29:44,240 --> 01:29:40,950 follow the you want a personal truth 2076 01:29:46,910 --> 01:29:44,250 follow the Liturgy of st. Terence 2077 01:29:49,280 --> 01:29:46,920 Mckenna who says take five dried grams 2078 01:29:51,560 --> 01:29:49,290 in silent darkness on a rainy Sunday 2079 01:29:55,970 --> 01:29:51,570 morning and you'll to say that Magellan 2080 01:29:58,580 --> 01:29:55,980 should take a backseat to you little 2081 01:30:02,660 --> 01:29:58,590 green men little green men come in come 2082 01:30:06,200 --> 01:30:02,670 in just go out to a known UFO hotspot 2083 01:30:07,850 --> 01:30:06,210 and just you know go out there a few 2084 01:30:09,770 --> 01:30:07,860 times and just sit in the in the 2085 01:30:12,350 --> 01:30:09,780 darkness or in the in the daylight or 2086 01:30:14,990 --> 01:30:12,360 wherever and just just feel the vibe and 2087 01:30:17,870 --> 01:30:15,000 it'll happen for a lot of people it does 2088 01:30:22,030 --> 01:30:17,880 um if you just you go out there with an 2089 01:30:25,610 --> 01:30:22,040 open mind something may occur you know 2090 01:30:28,430 --> 01:30:25,620 yeah it is about personal truth in some 2091 01:30:30,830 --> 01:30:28,440 ways because you're never gonna prove it 2092 01:30:33,110 --> 01:30:30,840 I think to you because hardcore skeptics 2093 01:30:34,370 --> 01:30:33,120 they have their own personal truths so 2094 01:30:37,700 --> 01:30:34,380 you're not you know there's never gonna 2095 01:30:39,260 --> 01:30:37,710 be proof for them but you know unless it 2096 01:30:44,030 --> 01:30:39,270 happens to them unless they experience 2097 01:30:47,060 --> 01:30:44,040 it yeah I am I I'm constantly reminded 2098 01:30:49,340 --> 01:30:47,070 of and constantly you know it's an idea 2099 01:30:51,530 --> 01:30:49,350 that I perceived with a Kierkegaard II 2100 01:30:55,160 --> 01:30:51,540 and fear and trembling but Jeff ribbons 2101 01:30:57,200 --> 01:30:55,170 prescription for sort of making yourself 2102 01:30:58,730 --> 01:30:57,210 open to the unknown which he's talked 2103 01:31:00,260 --> 01:30:58,740 about with Greg Bishop on radio 2104 01:31:03,350 --> 01:31:00,270 mysterioso a couple different times 2105 01:31:04,550 --> 01:31:03,360 about going out you know consistently in 2106 01:31:05,990 --> 01:31:04,560 terms of doing it often but not 2107 01:31:07,610 --> 01:31:06,000 necessarily consistent in terms of time 2108 01:31:09,890 --> 01:31:07,620 I just sort of switching up the exact 2109 01:31:11,720 --> 01:31:09,900 hour when you do it but taking us a spot 2110 01:31:13,640 --> 01:31:11,730 that seems sort of lonesome and go out 2111 01:31:16,460 --> 01:31:13,650 there on a regular basis but not at 2112 01:31:18,410 --> 01:31:16,470 regular times and contemplate the you 2113 01:31:19,020 --> 01:31:18,420 know contemplate the meaning of life and 2114 01:31:23,460 --> 01:31:19,030 your life 2115 01:31:25,560 --> 01:31:23,470 and uh and you know more often than not 2116 01:31:27,060 --> 01:31:25,570 something is going to happen and it's 2117 01:31:28,530 --> 01:31:27,070 not gonna be something you expect but it 2118 01:31:30,330 --> 01:31:28,540 is going to be something unexplained I 2119 01:31:31,620 --> 01:31:30,340 keep on want to try that but you know 2120 01:31:34,020 --> 01:31:31,630 when you hear Jeff talk about it he's 2121 01:31:36,750 --> 01:31:34,030 like you know what you lay at that altar 2122 01:31:38,610 --> 01:31:36,760 is any sense of regularity in your life 2123 01:31:40,590 --> 01:31:38,620 so your relationships might suffer your 2124 01:31:41,820 --> 01:31:40,600 occupation might suffer your financial 2125 01:31:43,410 --> 01:31:41,830 state might suffer and that's all a 2126 01:31:44,190 --> 01:31:43,420 little bit too it's too frightening for 2127 01:31:45,840 --> 01:31:44,200 me honestly 2128 01:31:49,830 --> 01:31:45,850 yellow heap and he pretty much 2129 01:31:52,590 --> 01:31:49,840 guarantees if that will happen well it 2130 01:31:55,770 --> 01:31:52,600 does seem to happen because people tend 2131 01:31:57,840 --> 01:31:55,780 to become obsessed as well all right yes 2132 01:31:59,490 --> 01:31:57,850 you have to i think you i think you can 2133 01:32:01,890 --> 01:31:59,500 pursue that but as long as you realize 2134 01:32:03,720 --> 01:32:01,900 that it could be life-altering and could 2135 01:32:05,940 --> 01:32:03,730 be changing your paradigm and but you 2136 01:32:08,910 --> 01:32:05,950 have to sort of reorient yourself back 2137 01:32:10,050 --> 01:32:08,920 into this kind of reality and so if 2138 01:32:12,030 --> 01:32:10,060 you're gonna do these types of 2139 01:32:14,460 --> 01:32:12,040 experiments or you're seeking the 2140 01:32:17,010 --> 01:32:14,470 fairies or whatever you know you just 2141 01:32:19,560 --> 01:32:17,020 have to make sure that you also take 2142 01:32:21,720 --> 01:32:19,570 enough time to sort of make sure 2143 01:32:24,930 --> 01:32:21,730 everything's okay in the normal sort of 2144 01:32:27,570 --> 01:32:24,940 world the non very sort of this reality 2145 01:32:30,420 --> 01:32:27,580 so to speak you can't always be over in 2146 01:32:32,580 --> 01:32:30,430 Magana all right well we've got about 2147 01:32:35,460 --> 01:32:32,590 three minutes unfortunately left in the 2148 01:32:40,620 --> 01:32:35,470 program so I want to go around and ask 2149 01:32:43,380 --> 01:32:40,630 everyone where we can find out where to 2150 01:32:45,600 --> 01:32:43,390 get your books more about you know 2151 01:32:49,080 --> 01:32:45,610 websites and things like that so Josh 2152 01:32:51,300 --> 01:32:49,090 let's start with you I am finally 2153 01:32:53,160 --> 01:32:51,310 actually blogging on a similar regular 2154 01:32:56,220 --> 01:32:53,170 basis and I have some various thoughts 2155 01:33:00,330 --> 01:32:56,230 and whatnot that you'll find over on 2156 01:33:03,450 --> 01:33:00,340 joshua kuchen comm Jos HUAC utca chai 2157 01:33:06,960 --> 01:33:03,460 n.com with links about information about 2158 01:33:09,390 --> 01:33:06,970 others all my books um and my books you 2159 01:33:12,990 --> 01:33:09,400 can find on Amazon or Barnes and Noble 2160 01:33:15,600 --> 01:33:13,000 but if you really want to engender a lot 2161 01:33:17,430 --> 01:33:15,610 of inspiration it's good you ask your 2162 01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:17,440 brick and mortar store to order it and 2163 01:33:22,500 --> 01:33:21,010 keep them alive but yeah this is there's 2164 01:33:25,470 --> 01:33:22,510 a blog there and also over at my website 2165 01:33:27,630 --> 01:33:25,480 I keep track of every radio interview or 2166 01:33:29,430 --> 01:33:27,640 podcast interview have been part of in 2167 01:33:31,560 --> 01:33:29,440 case you really hate yourself and want 2168 01:33:32,560 --> 01:33:31,570 to mainstream 18 hours of me that's the 2169 01:33:35,170 --> 01:33:32,570 ones touched 2170 01:33:39,100 --> 01:33:35,180 probably more than 18 hours by now a lot 2171 01:33:40,900 --> 01:33:39,110 more and the time the title of your 2172 01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:40,910 current boat oh yeah the new book is 2173 01:33:44,290 --> 01:33:42,010 thieves in the night 2174 01:33:47,260 --> 01:33:44,300 yeah brief a brief history of 2175 01:33:50,830 --> 01:33:47,270 supernatural child abduction alright and 2176 01:33:55,390 --> 01:33:50,840 Susan what about you uh you can find my 2177 01:34:03,190 --> 01:33:55,400 online cupboard at Susan st. Claire calm 2178 01:34:05,350 --> 01:34:03,200 so s usan St CLA I are calm and that'll 2179 01:34:07,300 --> 01:34:05,360 just take you out to different links of 2180 01:34:09,640 --> 01:34:07,310 all my stuff I have two different blogs 2181 01:34:13,330 --> 01:34:09,650 and other places where I've written for 2182 01:34:15,010 --> 01:34:13,340 other locations and not on the web and 2183 01:34:17,740 --> 01:34:15,020 just a little bit more about my current 2184 01:34:19,780 --> 01:34:17,750 projects like I said it's my online 2185 01:34:21,400 --> 01:34:19,790 cupboard just feel free to go snooping 2186 01:34:23,860 --> 01:34:21,410 around in there and you'll you'll find 2187 01:34:26,080 --> 01:34:23,870 some goodies I write about all sorts of 2188 01:34:29,950 --> 01:34:26,090 different things whether it's ghosts or 2189 01:34:34,120 --> 01:34:29,960 your UFOs or magic or all stuff 2190 01:34:35,980 --> 01:34:34,130 different stuff fairies alright well 2191 01:34:37,780 --> 01:34:35,990 both of you thank you very much for 2192 01:34:39,220 --> 01:34:37,790 being with us tonight on exploring the 2193 01:34:41,290 --> 01:34:39,230 bizarre it's but a fascinating program 2194 01:34:44,710 --> 01:34:41,300 and I take something the time has just 2195 01:34:46,180 --> 01:34:44,720 shot by way too fast and you know as 2196 01:34:48,820 --> 01:34:46,190 always we're gonna have to have both of 2197 01:34:51,490 --> 01:34:48,830 you on again in the near future well 2198 01:34:55,540 --> 01:34:51,500 thank you so much as always I love being 2199 01:34:57,790 --> 01:34:55,550 on the show it was a real pleasure thank 2200 01:34:59,650 --> 01:34:57,800 you so much alright so thank you 2201 01:35:02,200 --> 01:34:59,660 everyone out there for listening and we 2202 01:35:05,080 --> 01:35:02,210 will back be back again this time next 2203 01:35:10,390 --> 01:35:05,090 week so come back we always enjoy doing 2204 01:35:16,430 --> 01:35:13,220 you've been listening to exploring the 2205 01:35:19,970 --> 01:35:16,440 bazaar with hosts Timothy Beckley 2206 01:35:22,250 --> 01:35:19,980 panting Swartz they're taking back the 2207 01:35:24,800 --> 01:35:22,260 Knights by jetting non-stop across the 2208 01:35:28,100 --> 01:35:24,810 cosmos in search of the truly bizarre 2209 01:35:29,560 --> 01:35:28,110 and totally unexplained with you as 2210 01:35:33,260 --> 01:35:29,570 their coal miners 2211 01:35:37,959 --> 01:35:33,270 Thursday nights at 7:00 p.m. Pacific 10 2212 01:35:40,390 --> 01:35:37,969 p.m. Eastern and the K cor digital radio 2213 01:35:43,810 --> 01:35:40,400 for more information on exploring the 2214 01:35:46,689 --> 01:35:43,820 bazaar and hosts Timothy Beckman to 2215 01:35:49,780 --> 01:35:46,699 Swartz check out their kco our digital 2216 01:35:55,360 --> 01:35:49,790 radio network follow their YouTube